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Re: [Poll] Do you need Faith or Religion to achieve Morality?
August 14, 2008 - 12:40 PM
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I don't think that everyone needs faith to acheive morality. I think though that faith can be very useful in helping to shape peoples morals though - both in positive and negative ways. I think that every person has something that drives them to be the best person that they can be. It could be religion, could be sports, could be fear. It doesn't matter what drives the person, as long as they are the best person that they can be.
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Re: [Poll] Do you need Faith or Religion to achieve Morality?
August 16, 2008 - 09:56 PM
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DakotaStorm,
Finally, a fresh perspective.
So would I be correct in assuming (I know it’s always dangerous to assume) that you support Nature in the “Nature vs. Nurture” debate? Also, what kind of work do you do?
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Re: [Poll] Do you need Faith or Religion to achieve Morality?
August 16, 2008 - 09:58 PM
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nallison36 wrote:
I don't think that everyone needs faith to acheive morality. I think though that faith can be very useful in helping to shape peoples morals though - both in positive and negative ways. I think that every person has something that drives them to be the best person that they can be. It could be religion, could be sports, could be fear. It doesn't matter what drives the person, as long as they are the best person that they can be.
Nikki,
If I may ask, what “drives” you?
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Re: [Poll] Do you need Faith or Religion to achieve Morality?
August 27, 2008 - 09:16 AM
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Morality and faith are related but however morality is not dependent on faith. I have seen lots of people who are not religious but who are very principled.
Morality is stressed in religion. morality is necessary for proper functioning of the society and family. It is a natural, social need.
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Re: [Poll] Do you need Faith or Religion to achieve Morality?
October 4, 2008 - 06:50 AM
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Yup......I need Faith to achieve morality
without that...i just feel i do nothing
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Re: [Poll] Do you need Faith or Religion to achieve Morality?
October 4, 2008 - 08:15 AM
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 [quote]I Firmly Believe that one's Morality Leads to Divinity.
Often Religeon can lead one a long way from being the Truth of whom they truly are as a human-Being.
With the right Morality one or a person may lead themselves into "A State of Grace" which doesn't have anything to do with Religeon,unless that Relegion supports this without man-made Idealistic Doctrines & Dogma,as much as the argument of Darwinism can lead equally to Nature over Nurture,Primal Survival Instincts,NO-Faith in anything if taken out of context.
This is an ongoing search within Mankind to find that something?? more to life than mere existence.
It's here alive within each one of us-Not far away-unnatainable to reach as many doctrines like to preach.
Each individual really needs to trust themselves within & go with their natural flow of their Moralistic calling.Not follow anyone else.
My opinion.One can argue forever over Religion,Faith,Darwinism,Morals.if Morals are not a natural part of a person's makeup,Nothing will lead them towards finding self-Divinity.Why so much inhumanity to man? Morals take a second to personal Desire.True Divinity & being in a state of Grace,means letting go of all Materialism,to allow oneself an open way towards rising above the state of the mundane.
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Re: [Poll] Do you need Faith or Religion to achieve Morality?
October 14, 2008 - 06:02 AM
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Faith and moral action are linked in terms of action, even though being moral doesn't need to have faith. In the sense, that even if one has faith they can still do wrong, and even if one doesn't have faith they still do what's right, and that's a basic premise of being human, that we can sin, but eventually we seek forgiveness for our actions from God, our Creator. In this sense, moral doing, or immoral actions guide us to a better self and a better self-understanding, because it is through our learning of our failings and weaknesses that we correct our actions. Eventually, this also means that our faith is being tested, because as our failings increase, or we continue to persevere in doing good actions, a question arises at least within ourselves as to who we are doing it for.
The persistence of this question is individual, and each person decides the reasons for doing it. People generally like to assume that they do good, regardless of what that good is, and that is not about being self-righteous, it is about the assumption that we can excel in our achievements as individuals, it is therefore left for religion to decide whether our actions are good or bad, rather than our own individual perceptions of our actions.
Moreover, there is also an individual role to be played by ourselves to clearly understand what we mean when we try to separate our faith from our individual morality.
On the one hand, it might be better to do so, so that whatever action we take, a religion should not be judged according it, i.e. it is not stigmatised by the characters who preach that religion, on the other hand, arguing that morality is spurred by religion leads us to be entrusted to following our faith properly so that it is not stigmatised. In both cases, religion is superior to morality, because religion is about our relationship to God Almighty, Allah Sobhanahu wa Taala, and morality, is about the individual's actions, and an individual is weak, despite his protestations to the contrary, or so I believe.
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Re: [Poll] Do you need Faith or Religion to achieve Morality?
October 14, 2008 - 11:30 AM
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Whom instilled within you that being human is weak? Yes I agree with many points U have mentioned,Yes our Morals are indeed dictated by our actions or innactions,But where R the many people whom profess to have unyeilding in Faith & Relegion as Our Lord Jesus States within the Bible,Sadly Largely missentrepreted by many,including the Clergy- I am talking about the Faith in our Creator,our Lord High above,no-matter what culture or name we may call GOD or come from,that "Greater things than me,shall ye do if U only have faith-the right Morals,4 2 me they cannot B seperated;& Believe completly in God whom is in Heaven-then greater works,or Miricles they R often termed a person shall do in GODs Great name 2 Glorify GOD in Heaven!
Yes many people,individuals have a lot of learning before they R able 2 reach a state of pure Grace one with the one GOD,too many people have this idea that GOD is way 2 high above man 2 ever reach such heights,whom taught this- many Relegions,not all,I am not putting blame on all churches nor all Religeons,But GOD is within us all,not distant far from us,Who truly sits in judgement of man-not God 4 God is a Loving GOD,yes GOD is not 2 B taken in vain,but it is largely man who sits in judgement of himself as mankind etc:-I do not know how 2 explain 2 another being in a state of GODs Grace,it is a very Spiritual matter & a very personal calling,There is a vast differrent between being Relegious & being Spiritual! Those whom R not at this level of Spirituality,where one is one with all,a universal being in consciousness never has to give a second thought 2 faith,relegion,morals,one just is,I AM THAT I AM- in GODs GRace & automatically acts accordingly.....
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Re: [Poll] Do you need Faith or Religion to achieve Morality?
October 15, 2008 - 08:09 AM
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I like this, of course there is a distinction between being religious and spiritual but i do believe that human beings are weak. they're very weak in fact, and it is through that weakness that they aspire to God the Creator, because they need Him above all else. The state of Grace is a state human beings aspire to but they cannot reach it without first admitting that they are weak to their Creator.
Have you ever tried solving a problem without knowing what is going wrong. It's impossible. If everything is going wrong, then you have too many problems, and these problems mean there are many weaknesses and so nothing can be solved if you don't discover these weaknesses.
When i say that a human being is weak, i don't mean paralysed weak, incapable of action, but i mean being weak enough to recognise that there are somethings they cannot do. That is weakness, that is if we consider strength to mean potential ability and the capacity to act positivelly.
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Re: [Poll] Do you need Faith or Religion to achieve Morality?
October 15, 2008 - 08:10 AM
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I like this, of course there is a distinction between being religious and spiritual but i do believe that human beings are weak. they're very weak in fact, and it is through that weakness that they aspire to God the Creator, because they need Him above all else. The state of Grace is a state human beings aspire to but they cannot reach it without first admitting that they are weak to their Creator.
Have you ever tried solving a problem without knowing what is going wrong. It's impossible. If everything is going wrong, then you have too many problems, and these problems mean there are many weaknesses and so nothing can be solved if you don't discover these weaknesses.
When i say that a human being is weak, i don't mean paralysed weak, incapable of action, but i mean being weak enough to recognise that there are somethings they cannot do. That is weakness, that is if we consider strength to mean potential ability and the capacity to act positivelly.
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Re: [Poll] Do you need Faith or Religion to achieve Morality?
October 30, 2008 - 11:30 AM
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What is religion in the first place? Morality is a things that is better understood by the innocent and better practiced by those who are free. People tend to barricade themselves from the reality that never cease to exist; we continue to live in our fantasies that the world must be this and must be that because that is what God and the society wants. Religion works the other way around, and never was it needed to achieve morality in a sense. Religion speaks of what is there, it has set standards that deprive the human race from living righteously and just, it has some sort of magic in a way that lures the human mind into believing that what is there which is uncommon is something immoral. I have known the world, and believe me; she never cares!
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Re: [Poll] Do you need Faith or Religion to achieve Morality?
December 16, 2008 - 09:27 AM
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Brian Soto,
your arguments demanding proof of the existence of God backfires itself: You can't prove He does not exist as well.
In the mean time, you can't compare what a fellow human being believes in with, for instance, Cyclops, Hydras, and Deamon-Elephant gods, and call people "foolish", then give us long speeches on morality.
It just hardly helps you in advocating your case that rejection of religion is the best moral practice: You're hardly following any moral rationale whilst making fun out of what people believe in.
The belief that God exists needs no scientific proof; that's the key issue. It is a philosophical question about the reason that we are ever here; questions like: Where do we come from, and where do we go?
Science cannot explain things beyond senses. It cannot explain why people dream of things in the future, and those things happen. It cannot either prove to you that I had a dream yesterday about something that will happen tomorrow. Science is incapable of determining what the true intentions of human beings are in certain situations. It cannot explain where or how did the basic elements that made the universe come from. Science is relative, accumulated, and not complete or absolute.
Believing invloves condoning to that "creative" force that caused this universe to exist in this perfect harmony and equilibrium.
The fact that some people think that this universe is not able to create itself and evolve on its own; without an architecht, does not means they are less rational those thinking that this universe just happen to exist by chance, or creative chaos. (Notice the word "Creative".
I strongly believe in the possibility that science and ethics should go side by side. As science in itself does not necessarily invlove ethics or morality:
Lewis Wolpert, a devout British biological scientist affirms in his book "The Unnatural Nature of Science", that "Science is value-free, as it explains the world as it is. Ethical issues arise only when science is applied to technology – from medicine to industry".
The fact that ethics and morality are found in religion shall neither conclude in principle that non-religious people have no ethics, nor that religion should be abandoned.
Freedom of belief states that anyone should be free to believe in what he/she wants, as long as others are not harmed; that's the moral concept you seem not to accept.
Peace.
Ayman
This post was edited on: 2008-12-16 at 09:45 AM by: aymanelhakea
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