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Mohamed Eid
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Re: [Poll] Faith and reason: are they compatible?
December 18, 2008 - 12:39 AM
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I have seen here weak intelligence generating gaps. If person doesn’t know much knowledge and could not enable to make full evaluation of the cases, it will be poor judgment whatsoever, he might attempts to make comments something he hasn’t more deep knowledge. I saw these last discussions some illogical claims, which gave science first believable source when it comes accept as true, but, religion and god’s faith something theory. I can point out this poor judgment. There is something else to be needed to clarify concisely, which is the pure religion directly, came from the Almighty Allah and the distorted ones and man invented one. I’m going to talk about the religion, born it, grow it and learn it, which is Islamic religion. I truly believe that Islamic Religion is the merely purest religion of all religions. There are a lot of things science discovered for the last centuries and today, that Islamic religion told fourteen centuries ago, for to show the power of the Lord and there are a lot of scientific knowledge not yet discover which require now very sophisticated science and technology. And that is the miracle of Quran, if you need now search the internet.
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Re: [Poll] Faith and reason: are they compatible?
December 18, 2008 - 01:00 AM
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I can not support religion.
It is the main cause of bloodshed and violence and total brainwashing.
Almost every conflict is started by some religious rant or the backing of a religion.
You say that things are appearing now that where written in some holy text.
I think almost anything can be related to some sort of past prediction just like how I think every religion is based on the stars and how the planets work just someone has decided to make it into a wonderful story that has suckered our planet and put us into war and chaos.
If people just had of stuck to science we would be so much further in life and I think everyone would have been much better off.
Thanks to religion we are all going to die on this planet because religion stopped us from going forward.
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Re: [Poll] Faith and reason: are they compatible?
December 18, 2008 - 08:40 AM
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V0llEY wrote:
I can not support religion.
It is the main cause of bloodshed and violence and total brainwashing.
Almost every conflict is started by some religious rant or the backing of a religion.
You say that things are appearing now that where written in some holy text.
I think almost anything can be related to some sort of past prediction just like how I think every religion is based on the stars and how the planets work just someone has decided to make it into a wonderful story that has suckered our planet and put us into war and chaos.
If people just had of stuck to science we would be so much further in life and I think everyone would have been much better off.
Thanks to religion we are all going to die on this planet because religion stopped us from going forward.
Could you tell me what was the role religion played in the following events:
1. Genocide of American Indinans
2. South African Aparthied
3. Collective punishment of Cuban innocent civilians by the US embargo
4. Collective punishment of Iraqi innocent civilians under the US embargo (1991-2003)
5. Tribal genocides of Rwanda and Burundi
6. African conflicts in Mozambique, Angola, Liberia, and Sierra Leone
7. The Contra War in Nicaragua
8. WW I and WW II
9. The "Cold War", in the context of the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Suez War, and the occupation of Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Afghanistan by the USSR.
10. The Kurdish crisis
11. The Slavery trade in the 18th-19th century America
12. Colonial/Imperialist wars in the Third World
13. The Spanish-American War
14. The Anglo-Spanish War
15. The Napoleonic Wars
16. The British Civil War
17. The Franco-Prussian Wars
18. The Falkland War
19. The "Black September"
20. The ethnic conflict in Darfur
Also, could you please enlighten me about the religion followed be these people:
Zhozef Stalin
Napoleon Bonaparte
Pol Pot
Adolf Hitler
Augusto Pinochet
Benito Mussolini
Carlos the Jackal
Jean-Cristophe Mitterrad
Mao Zedong
only as examples of many...
Waiting for your answers.
Peace,
Ayman
This post was edited on: 2008-12-18 at 08:49 AM by: aymanelhakea
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Re: [Poll] Faith and reason: are they compatible?
December 18, 2008 - 09:48 AM
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I'm not some sort of knowledge base of all time and history so I doubt I will be answering much of that.
You feeling a little down today mate?
As I said "Almost all conflicts" so obviously that does not mean every conflict known to man!
You seemed to have focused on the one line there, the rest is where I made my point.
haha you can worship and believe what you want I just wont be following you.
Good to see you know your history though....just wish we could have seen it with our own eyes instead of reading other peoples beliefs and fabrications. who knows whats true in history.
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Re: [Poll] Faith and reason: are they compatible?
December 18, 2008 - 12:40 PM
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V0llEY wrote:
I'm not some sort of knowledge base of all time and history so I doubt I will be answering much of that.
Know first about history and conflicts before giving conclusions. That's how to function according to the scientific method that you're advocating. It starts by observation and data collection, before jumping to conclusions.Anyways, if you're doubtful about your ability to answer all of my questions, then answer as much as you can. Sounds fair.
You feeling a little down today mate?
What has my questions to do with the way I feel? Anyways, I don't mind if we discuss my psychological performance, but I'm sorry if we will have to do it somehwere else, not in this particular discussion thread.
As I said "Almost all conflicts" so obviously that does not mean every conflict known to man!
It means: Almost ALL conflicts known to man. What I did is to investigate the historical evidence of your statement, by asking you very representative, preliminary, basic,and simple questions. You failed to answer, hence, your statement hardly holds water, until an answer is given.
You seemed to have focused on the one line there, the rest is where I made my point.
You still did not answer any of my questions. All what you said to make your point is because I say so.
haha you can worship and believe what you want I just wont be following you.
Nobody asked you to follow anyone, and no one has the authority to hinder anyone's freedom of belief.
Good to see you know your history though....just wish we could have seen it with our own eyes instead of reading other peoples beliefs and fabrications.
I know nothing mate, I was asking questions, if you know their answers, please share them with me and the other participants. But if you don't, then I urge you to reexamine the sources that support your claims, before jumping to conclusions or "fabrications".
Interesting to consider these events as "my" history. Please elaborate.
who knows whats true in history.
This question destroys your claim to the ground:
If you are uncertain about what's true in history, on what basis do you say very confidently that: Almost every conflict is started by some religious rant or the backing of a religion"? (Perhaps you are the only one who knows true history?).
This post was edited on: 2008-12-18 at 12:50 PM by: aymanelhakea
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Re: [Poll] Faith and reason: are they compatible?
December 18, 2008 - 08:42 PM
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Sorry I wish you herd me say that instead of type it.
In short my last post basically said I am naive and do not know allot of history off the top of me head.
I am pretty much wrong about all wars being started by religious means but there are a few and they where huge a long time ago.
I have a problem with believing what I have read in books and what teachers tell me what is right and wrong.
I went to a Christian school had the crap forced onto me every day as a kid and I did not believe any of it especially when the Old Testament contradicts the new one.
When I said "At least you know your history" you took it out of context like most of what I said before hand as a bite back when it was me saying your pretty much correct in what you said to me.
Try not to think I am your enemy but another person looking for the truth and the right belief.
Thats why I am on this forum EVERYONE has brilliant points of view here and I want to know what they are.
We are all from different places and have been taught many things and talk to one another in different ways so please don't find my idiocy as an attack at all you, just another lost one willing to learn.
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Re: [Poll] Faith and reason: are they compatible?
December 19, 2008 - 07:39 AM
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V0llEY wrote:
my last post basically said I am naive and do not know allot of history off the top of me head.
I am pretty much wrong about all wars being started by religious means
It's good to admit that you do not have the sufficient knowledge to answer the questions that I posed. This is both brave and honest from you. The solution of any challenge starts by identifying were problems come from.
I have a problem with believing what I have read in books and what teachers tell me what is right and wrong.
This shall not lead you to conclude that "Almost all conflicts started by religious means". Especially when you are still finding it hard to answer my questions. Note also that I did not answer them either. I like questioning,because maybe:
I have a problem with believing what I have readin your post about religion causing "Almost all" conflicts.
I went to a Christian school had the crap forced onto me every day as a kid and I did not believe any of it especially when the Old Testament contradicts the new one.
Guess what, I attended a Catholic school for 13 years. But I always considered faith as a personal issue, you have every reason to reject it, and others have every reason to believe. This is freedom of belief.
When I said "At least you know your history" you took it out of context like most of what I said before hand as a bite back when it was me saying your pretty much correct in what you said to me.
You are trying to turn around the word "your". If this history, being human history, is not "your" and "my" history, and is only "my" history, how would you explain that?
This post was edited on: 2008-12-19 at 07:52 AM by: aymanelhakea
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Re: [Poll] Faith and reason: are they compatible?
December 19, 2008 - 07:40 AM
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Try not to think I am your enemy but another person looking for the truth and the right belief.
Where did I say that you're an enemy. You're welcomed to quote me. Einstein says: "The most important thing is to never stop questioning". I am currently posing questions to look for the truth in your statements, and I still have no answer other than apologetic statements for your early "conclusions". I did not even say that they are inaccurate; I only posed questions. But it's you who are now admitting:
I am pretty much wrong about all wars being started by religious means
Interesting. Could you please tell me then, what is/are the cause(s)of wars, if you were "pretty much wrong" in saying that "almost all wars" started because of religion?
Thats why I am on this forum EVERYONE has brilliant points of view here and I want to know what they are.
We are all from different places and have been taught many things and talk to one another in different ways so please don't find my idiocy as an attack at all you, just another lost one willing to learn.
If you are really still at the stage of "wanting to know" and you feel, in your own words, that you are "just another lost one willing to learn", then it's probably too early to jump into conclusions about the causes of "almost all conflicts".
This post was edited on: 2008-12-19 at 07:55 AM by: aymanelhakea
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Re: [Poll] Faith and reason: are they compatible?
December 19, 2008 - 10:27 AM
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V0llEY wrote:
aymanelhakea wrote:
Actually Arnol Mol gave a brilliant explanation, using reason, that the Qur'an is not the work of mankind...
care to elaborate on that...
You can follow this discussion from its start, by clicking on pages 1,2,3...and so on. If you're interested.
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