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Zimbabwe:America desperate for regime change!
June 12, 2008 - 05:37 AM
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I was shocked yesterday to read that the United States government is going to spend seven million United States dollars (US$7million) to monitor the Zimbabwean elections.
Two things are clear here.
The U.S. is desperate for President Mugabe to lose the run-off presidential election. The U.S. has spent more US$7million in the last ten years trying to pitch MDC-T leader, Morgan Tsvangirai for the Presidency; but he has failed to ‘take power’ and the U.S. is clearly running out of ideas.
President Bush's desperation is shocking. What exactly do they want in Zimbabwe, to spend so much money on election observers?
This is really sad on the part of the Bush who did not even respond to Hurricane Katrina victims with such vigour.
Bush should just declare war against the government of Zimbabwe, rather than use these subtle means to push the U.S. agenda on a sovereign nation.
Morgan Tsvangirai should know that trying to effect change in Zimbabwe by force will be counter-productive. This is the time for dialogue and rather than soliciting funds to guarantee an electoral victory, he should convince his ‘manipulators’ in America and Europe to lift sanctions against the country and open up dialogue between Zimbabwe and the West.
Force will simply not work. It hasn’t worked in the last ten years. It is divisive and will cause resentment
[link="http://www.talkzimbabwe.com/news/130/ARTICLE/2642/2008-06-10.html"]
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Re: Zimbabwe:America desperate for regime change!
June 12, 2008 - 08:12 AM
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I don't know what on earth is Bush looking for?
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Re: Zimbabwe:America desperate for regime change!
June 12, 2008 - 10:37 PM
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Bush isn't looking for anything. Zimbabwe has no oil. It could be that this is the first thing President Bush has done with complete benevelancy. After all, if any country needs it's elections watched, its Zimbabwe.
If in fact President Bush has spent this alleged amount of money, he should have spent more.
Fact 1: Mugabe lost that election.
Fact 2: Mugabe is still in power.
Fact 3: Zimbabwe should lose it's status as a Commonwealth Democracy.
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Re: Zimbabwe:America desperate for regime change!
June 13, 2008 - 02:36 AM
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Remote-Dude wrote:
Bush isn't looking for anything. Zimbabwe has no oil.
Fact 1: Mugabe lost that election.
Fact 2: Mugabe is still in power.
Fact 3: Zimbabwe should lose it's status as a Commonwealth Democracy.
Your facts are wrong mate.
Mugabe lost the first round of the election and losing the first round does not mean you have lost the fight ask the boxers will tell.
Mugabe will only reliquish power if he loses in the runoff electon and according to the constitution until then he is still the incumbent!
As for that tea club called Commonweath Zimbabwe left after an unfair treatment and its a useless club ask the US which is never a member.We can not be under the queen of UK forever like some of you!
Bush is here not for any reason but to fight for his kith and kin and also ahve control of our natural resources.We might not have oil but we have platinum uranium gold diamonds etc. So you agree Bush invades other countries for oil hear hear luke!
Mugabe stepped on the toes of these guys in the DRC war remember they fought on opposite sides and also when he started to take back the land from the whites thats when these issues started!
Ask yourself why was Zimbabwe described as a threat to the US foreign policy in The Economist magazine?
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Re: Zimbabwe:America desperate for regime change!
June 15, 2008 - 09:28 PM
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The Zimbabwean people are desperate for regime change, as they demonstrated in the first round of voting.
Mugabe is desperate to cling to power, witness his murderous campaign of intimidation and harrassment of the opposition.
But Mugabe has already announced HE WILL NOT ACCEPT DEFEAT EVEN IN THE RUNOFF!!!!
HE WILL GO BACK TO THE BUSH AND FIGHT A CAMPAIGN OF TERROR AGAINST THE ZIMBABWEAN PEOPLE.
Dkaiyo, will you join him there?
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Re: Zimbabwe:America desperate for regime change!
June 16, 2008 - 02:19 AM
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The interest of the Americans Is very interesting and to pour that kind of money for nothing never. There is more to it than what meets the eye!
Anyway what happened in the first round was "Stomach politics" and now people know better in fact p[eople would rather be empowered and own the land mines etc than being an employee! After 29 March we saw a host of white former commercial farmers coming back in droves to occupy our land and we cannot allow this to happen.
P47 you asked me will i join Mugabe in the bush to fight the imperialists how interesting.Let me tell you we are already in a war our sovereignty is under threat and we cannot sit back and allow the enemy take over our country.I will not fight a war of guns and bloodshed but of the MIND try as much as possible to educate the masses about where we came from and where we are going.
If the US loves us so much let them lift the sanctions they have imposed on this my motherland!
How many countries have had their government disposed of by the US and her axis of evil? Many i will tell you and how many dictators stayed in power for one simple reason they had the support of the US again many!
What is their interest to play the "policeman of the world"
Well come june 27 we are going to put the imperialists and their puppet party where it belongs!
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Re: Zimbabwe:America desperate for regime change!
June 16, 2008 - 06:53 AM
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The US imperialists' agenda did not start today a brief look into history and be the judges yourselves
That same Anglo-Saxon determination was shown by the US State Department under the leadership of Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.
In National Security Memorandum 39 of 1969, also known as the Kissinger Study of Southern Africa, the US State Department declared that:
"The whites (in the Southern Africa region including Zimbabwe) are here to stay and the only way that constructive change can come about is through them."
In other sections of the same study, it was made clear that the Southern Africa region, which some publicists in the US wished to call "The Persian Gulf of Minerals", was too rich to be left to Africans, come independence or no independence. The Kissinger study also revealed that these conclusions were based on a widely-shared belief that the Africans of this region would not fight to reclaim that "Persian Gulf of Minerals". It was also demonstrated by the High Commissioner of apartheid South Africa to Great Britain when he addressed the Royal Empire Society in February 1951. Dr A. L. Geyer told his British listeners:
"One fact can be put quite dogmatically: in the interest both of Europe and Africa, the latter must be kept within the European orbit. Europe needs Africa. Africa needs Europe no less.
"South Africa and Southern Rhodesia (meaning Zimbabwe) are not part of Black Africa. Both have built up a permanent white population and established a modern state on European lines."
Need i say more...........?
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Re: Zimbabwe:America desperate for regime change!
June 16, 2008 - 08:46 AM
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THE United Kingdom has launched its strongest attack yet on the Zimbabwean government and is reportedly drawing up a contingency plan to be adopted IF the Movement for Democratic Change leader does not win the June 27 election, the Zimbabwe Guardian has learnt.
According to UK press reports Sunday, the United Kingdom Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) is lobbying the Southern African region to consider sanctions against President Robert Mugabe’s government in the aftermath of the run-off presidential election if the MDC-T leader, Morgan Tsvangirai, does not win the election.
According to a report in The Times newspaper on Sunday the FCO “is hoping to persuade Zimbabwe's neighbours to create an economic blockade. Vital imports have to come through Mozambique and South Africa.”
Britain and its allies — who have been blamed by President Mugabe for seeking regime change in Zimbabwe — are trying to mobilize regional leaders to consider imposing sanctions against the Zimbabwean government.
Britain realizes that, as a former colonizer of Zimbabwe, the stakes are high if they try to ‘go it alone’ on Zimbabwe and are currently “talking up their chances of building a wide coalition in case of the need for action.”
http://www.talkzimbabwe.com/news/117/ARTICLE/2697/2008-06-16.html
IS THIS THREAT ALSO NOT A FORM OF VOTER INTIMIDATION and TRY TILT THE ELECTION FIELD IN FOVOUR OF THE OPPOSITION?
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Re: Zimbabwe:America desperate for regime change!
June 16, 2008 - 10:06 AM
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"Mugabe will only reliquish power if he loses in the runoff electon and according to the constitution until then he is still the incumbent!"
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"IS THIS THREAT ALSO NOT A FORM OF VOTER INTIMIDATION and TRY TILT THE ELECTION FIELD IN FOVOUR OF THE OPPOSITION?"
His wife has said he wont relinquish power AT ALL. It seems to me that Mugabe's threat of taking up arms against his own constituancy because they didn't vote the way he wanted them to, and stopping aid from getting to his own constituancy, is a far GREATER form of voter intimidation. Your paranoia that the USA is remotley interested in you and that there are whites under the bed seems to be coming from what "the Zimbabwe Guardian has learnt".
A paper edited by the Government.... there is a credible source of information for you.
By the way, nice comment about some of us never wanting to leave the Commonwealth. Your economy was never as strong while you were apart the Commonwealth. What a shame you may never be welcome back to that "tea club" 
You had a kick a$$ cricket team too. That is to say that we used to kick their a$$ all the time
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No Supprise!
June 16, 2008 - 04:24 PM
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I know the bush administration to be Militaristic in its approach to resolving problems, be it killing a fly! They went to war in iraq sighting Nuclear weapons for a reason, but they never recovered any, They have continually funded the war in Ethiopia instead of spending on fighting famine which is killing people! Plus many others that you know.
Ofcourse they always have hidden agendas in every step they take! Just watch out.
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Re: Zimbabwe:America desperate for regime change!
June 16, 2008 - 07:14 PM
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I think the Zimbabwe people are desperate for regieme change
who rules Zimbabwe is not particularly relevant to the US interests - its just paranoid to think the US - with all its interests and issues in the world - is even focused on Zimbabwe.
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Re: Zimbabwe:America desperate for regime change!
June 16, 2008 - 09:07 PM
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dkaiyo wrote:
After 29 March we saw a host of white former commercial farmers coming back in droves to occupy our land and we cannot allow this to happen.
Dkaiyo, when will you stop lying to us? There was no "host" of white farmers coming back after March 29.
The opposite was true, the last remaining whites in Zimbabwe were being chased off their land after March 29! The BBC reported on April 9:
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Invasions
Meanwhile, Zimbabwe's state television says that war veterans have occupied 11 farms in the north-east of the country, Reuters news agency reports.
The farm invasions were ignited by reports that some white farmers were returning to their former properties anticipating the opposition MDC's victory.
"We managed to remove all the invaders (war veterans) from the occupied farms after realising that they were now committing crimes such as looting farm equipment, produce and threatening to kill the (white) farm owners," police assistant commissioner Mhekia Tanyanyiwa said.
"As of now the situation is under control and the affected white farmers are safe," he said.
A BBC contributor in Masvingo says police on Tuesday fought running battles with farm invaders who had looted farm equipment and produce.
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There you have it. The War Veterans, a group of self-appointed former guerrilla fighters from the 1970's, were invading the last White-owned farms, ostensibly to save those farms from being taken over by "former White farmers coming back to take their land." They used this howler of a lie to kick the last few remaining White farmers off their land and steal their farm equipment and produce.
And we can depend on Dkaiyo to repeat that lie to TigMembers.
Dkaiyo, you were man enough to apologize for repeating that lie about the former Rhodesian securities having invented "necklacing." Are you man enough to fess up for this lie, too????
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Re: Zimbabwe:America desperate for regime change!
June 17, 2008 - 06:38 AM
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luke wrote:
who rules Zimbabwe is not particularly relevant to the US interests - its just paranoid to think the US - with all its interests and issues in the world - is even focused on Zimbabwe.
This again is not true Mugabe has been label "a threat to the US foreign policy" in The Economist and that alone makes the news of him losing power sweet in the ears of the imperialists.
Anglo-Saxon interests vested in MDC-T were also evidenced by US Assistant Secretary for African Affairs Jendayi Frazer, who parroted claims by MDC-T that they had won the presidential elections before the official announcement by the Zimbabwe Electoral Commission.Though she later denied making those claims.
If they have no interest on who our next leader should be why sponsor the opposition and all those regime change agents in the form of NGO's and some in the civl society?
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June 17, 2008 - 07:35 AM
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prieten47 wrote Dkaiyo, when will you stop lying to us? There was no "host" of white farmers coming back after March 29.
There you have it. The War Veterans, a group of self-appointed former guerrilla fighters from the 1970's, were invading the last White-owned farms, ostensibly to save those farms from being taken over by "former White farmers coming back to take their land." They used this howler of a lie to kick the last few remaining White farmers off their land and steal their farm equipment and produce.
Well well you again have lied to us and accuse me of lying. If i am a lier i wonder what you are.
You quoted a pro western media the BBC and chose to ignore what other sources say fine i will quote for you this one
White former farmers threaten blacks with eviction
Herald Reporters
AN increasing number of white former commercial farmers are reportedly threatening resettled black farmers throughout the country with eviction from their farms or face the wrath of an anticipated "incoming MDC government". In Chiredzi, white former sugarcane farmers and conservancy operators have reportedly returned in their droves, threatening to repossess their plots in anticipation of an MDC victory. This has raised fears and apprehension among a host of newly-resettled farmers who benefited under the Zanu-PF Government’s land reform programme.
Some of the sugarcane farmers who spoke to The Herald yesterday expressed concern over incidents of white former farmers in Mkwasine, Hippo Valley and Triangle who were threatening to return to plots they previously owned.
http://maravi.blogspot.com/2008/04/herald-white-former-farmers-threaten.html
http://www.newsnet.co.zw/index.php?nID=12395
http://www.herald.co.zw/inside.aspx?sectid=33416&cat=10
Before you call me a lier please read the above links and see I DID NOT LIE TO ANYONE.Imperialists are after our land and resources as evidenced by their coming back.
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Re: Zimbabwe:America desperate for regime change!
June 18, 2008 - 07:28 AM
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the interests of the West in having tsvangirai as head of state beats me what is their interest? now aussie who is next?
Australia joins Britain in calling for sanctions if Mugabe wins
Floyd Nkomo
Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:56:00 +0000
AUSTRALIA says it may impose more sanctions against Zimbabwe IF President Robert Mugabe wins a run-off election echoing statements made by Britain which says will draw some “contingency plans”.
Aussie Foreign Minister Stephen Smith, speaking on public television late Tuesday, called on African nations to do more to end what he termed "a campaign of violence, intimidation and fear" in the country ahead of the June 27 election.
He criticised South Africa's President Thabo Mbeki, saying the international community had expected a stronger stance on Zimbabwe from him during the current election campaign.
"I think it is true to say that the international community has been somewhat disappointed by the lack of robustness on the part of the president and the South African government," Smith said.
Australia has imposed a mixture of declared and undeclared sanctions and travel bans on the Zimbabwe government, suspended non-humanitarian aid, banned arms sales and halted defence and ministerial links.
Smith said Australia would consider expanding the sanctions if President Mugabe won the June 27 vote.
http://www.talkzimbabwe.com/news/117/ARTICLE/2722/2008-06-18.html
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