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Enivromental crisis...it maybe the greatest hoax perpetrated on humanity.
May 23, 2008 - 03:30 PM
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first off, a question. Is the planet warming or cooling this week? I get so confused. For "settled" science, it seems very insettled.
Undertand, other than this being a religion, that this will be the biggest global tax grab ever know to man.
Lots of money involved and lots of money to be made.
Scientist now say we will be entering a cooling period for the next 15 years, however, to remain consistant to the agenda, global warming will resume at its normal pace after that...or a least until the next cooling period.
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Re: Enivromental crisis...it maybe the greatest hoax perpetrated on humanity.
May 24, 2008 - 02:07 AM
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I don't know whether there's a grand conspiracy on either side of the debate. But I do know that there's a good deal of pollution and wastage, and that these are not necessary. If we can do something about them, we should, whether or not they are linked to a great catastrophe. Those are my thoughts on the matter.
This post was edited on: 2008-05-24 at 02:08 AM by: bumbuwazed
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Re: Enivromental crisis...it maybe the greatest hoax perpetrated on humanity.
May 26, 2008 - 08:44 PM
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Our planet is getting warmer and warmer everyday because of new technologies, although those new technologies are great, but it has really killed our enivrionment.
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Re: Enivromental crisis...it maybe the greatest hoax perpetrated on humanity.
May 28, 2008 - 11:37 AM
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It might not be a hoax after all. Check the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and the Environmental Protection Agency websites and see that the average temperature on our planet is dramatically on the rise. Also, most of the warmest/hottest years fall in the last two decades.
You may not be experiencing it as fast as we do here in the tropics though - and most of the tropical countries are developing/poor. That's why if this phenomenon continues, much of the burden that results from global warming will be shouldered by the poor. That's why it's a great deal for us and (hopefully) our governments. That's why we have to act immediately.
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Re: Enivromental crisis...it maybe the greatest hoax perpetrated on humanity.
June 19, 2008 - 07:38 PM
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The basis of the original posters`argument is the previous statements made by parts of the scientifice establishment during the 70s that the world was cooling. If you take a gander in the climate sections of some older libraries the books still exist there.
Also, there tends to be the issue of scientific compliance for the benefit of funding. Money is an issue, and there are, frankly, very few scientists who study a field in an objective fashion. Their work may be objective, but where they decide to look may not be.
However, from an environmentalist point of view, global warming does not have to even come into the picture. Peak oil, urban sprawl, and smog all contribute to climates where conservation is a practical idea - from a socialist or capitalist perspective.
There is, obviously, a finite amount of energy that is easily accessible in the form of fossil fuels in the world. No one doubts this. The middle east is not floating on a sea of oil. It will run out. Why not find another fuel source? Biodiesel? Ethanol? Solar? Wind? Hydroelectric? There are options, and there needs to be research to make them more accessible. IF there is hoax going on, and they result in benefit in these areas, is that a bad thing?
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Re: Enivromental crisis...it maybe the greatest hoax perpetrated on humanity.
July 1, 2008 - 05:30 PM
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also, what about just treating what we have with plain respect?
there is certain evidence that our actions are not having a positive influence on the earth. whether or not we face a crisis, why not abide by a harmonious relationship with the earth that so many faiths preach?
climate change aside, caring for nature is important. if just to preserve what we have for an ever growing global population.
if climate change is the mechanism by which great attention is brought to the environmental cause, fine. but it should be said that it cannot be our only reason for caring.
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Re: Enivromental crisis...it maybe the greatest hoax perpetrated on humanity.
July 2, 2008 - 04:47 PM
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Is climate change really a hoax? Or is doubting it is real a trend?
An obvious place to start looking for answers is the scientists' corner. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), founded in 1988, evaluates the state of climate science as a basis for informed policy action, primarily on the basis on published scientific literature.
A few years ago, the IPCC conducted an analysis of aprox. 1000 published articles in scientific journals, during 1993-2003.
The analysis classified the abstracts as following: those explicitly endorsing the fact that Climate Change is real, those explicitly refuting it, those discussing methods and techniques, those discussing impact, or historical meaning.
You want to know how many fell in the second category? How many scientists in that study refute the idea that the Earth is warming due to human activities? None. NONE. Nobody said it's not real, that we're not dealing with a crisis here.
This is only one example. There are a great deal more of organizations/institutions that have ratified the results.
And so, I find the idea that 'we're being fooled once more' a bit silly.  And I'm not just saying this because the scientists did, but because of what I see myself: In Bucharest(Romania) 40 degrees (almost 100F I think) are what we expect in summer. Five years ago, we expected a maximum of 32.
And that's just ONE example...of billions more.
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Re: Enivromental crisis...it maybe the greatest hoax perpetrated on humanity.
July 4, 2008 - 04:22 PM
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Many scientist disagree that global warming is man made. Is it trendy to to think that way? Im guessing not. If 8 or 9 of all scientist agree that man is at the root, then its not trendy to disagree.
Agreement, however, never makes it proof. Notice we dont have an agreement of how far the sun is away from the earth. There is not a consensus the E=MC2. Why? Becuase these are proven and can be proven again over and over.
In the U.S. 7 or 10 people agree that Jesus Christ is God. Therefore since the majority of people have a consensus on that, it must be fact.
When scientist start talking about consensus...reach for your wallet. Your'e being had.
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Re: Enivromental crisis...it maybe the greatest hoax perpetrated on humanity.
July 4, 2008 - 04:24 PM
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Through out history, consensus has been on the wrong side of science. In fact, it's always been the scientists who went against consensus, that changed history.
Unless you believe the earth is still flat of course.
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Re: Enivromental crisis...it maybe the greatest hoax perpetrated on humanity.
July 4, 2008 - 04:27 PM
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If the science behind climate change being man's fault were indeed settled, it wouldnt matter who disagreed. I can disagree with provable facts all I want too, but it would be counter productive. If the science behind global warming were settled, no one would disagree.
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July 4, 2008 - 04:30 PM
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I find it interesting that only time global warming is a crisis is when it requires money to be paid, donated and siezed by the government.
Sounds a lot like religion.
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Re: Enivromental crisis...it maybe the greatest hoax perpetrated on humanity.
July 4, 2008 - 04:39 PM
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paranoia is very common. One has to be blind not to see that it's a fact.
No offense, mate. It's just that a small percentage of the population is bound to be forever-skeptical, doubtful and paranoid. So why waste precious resources persuading those who really won't be persuaded?
Let's try and be constructive here.
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July 5, 2008 - 10:48 PM
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Darwin was a small percentage of the population. Galileo was a small percentage of the population. So was Alexander Gordon when consensuss said no. So was Oliver Wendell Holmes, Semmelweiss, Dr. Joseph Goldberger when consensus said no.
In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus. There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period.
Consensus is the business of politics.
I would remind you to notice where the claim of consensus is invoked. Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough.
I am paranoid of what governments and the so called civilian do-gooders will do with this new power. It's 1939 Germany again!
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July 5, 2008 - 11:00 PM
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in this elastic anything-goes world where science-or non-science-is the hand maiden of questionable public policy, something like man made global warming can be injected into our way of thinking.
In this movement fueld by agenda and a psuedo-religious belief, the isolation of those scientists who won't get with the program, and the characterization of those scientists as outsiders and "skeptics" in quotation marks-suspect individuals with suspect motives, industry flunkies, reactionaries, or simply anti-environmental nut-cases.
This is old school propaganda. The nazi party were masters at it.
the connection between hard scientific fact and public policy have become increasingly elastic because of the complacency of the scientific profession, because of the lack of good science education among the public and because of the decline of the media as an independent assessor of fact.
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July 5, 2008 - 11:02 PM
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If I was selling stock in a company that I told you would be profitable in 2100, would you buy it? Or would you think the idea was so crazy that it must be a scam?
Let's think back to people in 1900 in, say, New York. If they worried about people in 2000, what would they worry about? Probably: Where would people get enough horses? And what would they do about all the horse****?
Horse pollution was bad in 1900, think how much worse it would be a century later, with so many more people riding horses? But of course, within a few years, nobody rode horses except for sport.
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