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Arslan Jumaniyazov
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
February 23, 2009 - 08:02 PM
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For sane people reading these posts:
Even a suggestion that Islam permits rape is a lunacy of epic proportions. No such thing exists. A legal limbo existing in the judicial system of Saudi Arabia does not mean that Islam allows rape. It doesn't.
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Robert
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 11, 2009 - 11:23 AM
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Maybe the Islam you follow doesn't allow rape but we both know rape is rampant in Islam
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Arslan Jumaniyazov
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 15, 2009 - 09:40 PM
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Who do you mean by "we"? At least, have an honesty to speak for yourself. You do not know what I "know."
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Robert
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 15, 2009 - 11:20 PM
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The number of rapes being committed by followers of Islam speak for themselves. That's what I know.
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Arslan Jumaniyazov
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 16, 2009 - 02:23 AM
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The number of rapes committed by non-Muslims speak for themselves as well. And that is what I know.
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Robert
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 16, 2009 - 08:43 AM
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A lot of raping then.
Sad.
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Shweta
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 18, 2009 - 12:53 AM
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It will be useful to remember that Rape is unacceptable. And this act is prevelant in diverse regions and religions. No religion encourages this act.
Rape indicates how women are not respected and treated as an equal human being.
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Robert
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 18, 2009 - 01:03 AM
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Very true and very well said. Although Islam is the only religion I can think of that would further humiliate a woman after she has been through such an ordeal.
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Omar ibn Anjum
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 18, 2009 - 08:03 PM
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In short, I don't follow this completely, I follow the Human Rights in Islam, and some of the UNHRs are the same so those I go by.
Its kind of funny that the so called "backwards" Islam had already devised a set of human rights 1400 years before the so called "modern" West did. 
This post was edited on: 2009-03-18 at 08:03 PM by: adeltaY
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Robert
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 18, 2009 - 11:50 PM
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adeltaY wrote:
In short, I don't follow this completely, I follow the Human Rights in Islam, and some of the UNHRs are the same so those I go by.
Its kind of funny that the so called "backwards" Islam had already devised a set of human rights 1400 years before the so called "modern" West did. *
This post was edited on: 2009-03-18 at 08:03 PM by: adeltaY
Human rights such as? The right to be hung if your homosexual? The right to be a second class citizen if your not Muslim?
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Omar ibn Anjum
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 19, 2009 - 12:31 AM
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Hung if you are homosexual? Which crazy right-wing website did you pull that off of? You can't get hung for being homosexual because this takes you out of the fold of Islam and therefore punishments of Islamic law no longer apply to you.
Second Rate citizen is far from the truth, you make it sound as though non-Muslims must live in slums or are treated like dirt, etc. In fact, people of other religions are free to practice, especially Christians or Jews, who are given special rights. The fact that Muslims are treated over them in cases of law are over minor technicalities that really don't apply to most situations since such situations are unlikely to occur.
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Shweta
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 19, 2009 - 03:50 AM
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I am wondering how is it that the discussion reached with focus on only Islam as far as violation of rights are concerned? How is it that we are not focussing on other religions as well.
Acknowledging that there are acts which are carried out in the name of religion even when they violate rights of people. However, we are also aware that everyone (even if they are following a particular religion) do not have same point of view about acts/rituals which may be violating someone's rights. I have seen this happening in diverse regions and religions.
In Hinduism, even if goddeses are worshipped, that does not stop Hindu men from violating rights of Hindu women. When people violate each others rights, I am not sure how influenced they are with religion as opposed to the process of socialization and institutionalization of a certain way of thinking. Has anyone read any research about it?
Often, we state our opinion without sharing adquate evidence for what we are saying. In reality, all of us may not have enough knowledge about each others region,religion or context. It will useful to be open to diverse points of view so that a discussion is carried forward in a meaningful manner.
Let us also acknowledge useful as well as unhelpful things about our context. Let us reflect on context before commenting on other contexts.Let us listen to each other as equal human beings first. If we label each other and attack, we are violating others' rights. When we do not respect rights of each other, how are we going to talk about someone else's rights?
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Robert
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 19, 2009 - 01:31 PM
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There are at least seven countries today which still retain capital punishment for homosexuality: Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania,Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Yemen.
Almost all of these countries are part of the OIC - which today pretty much controls the UN Human rights council. How odd wouldn't you say?
Let's put it this way. How many people decide to leave the United States or Europe to live in Saudi Arabia or Iran? How many people decide to leave Saudi Arabia or Iran to live in the US or Europe? the West in general.
I think it's clear that people vote with their feet for freedom over tyranny. Why the ambivalence between the two, as if it's a hard choice?
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Robert
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 19, 2009 - 01:47 PM
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Women who are raped can face legal difficulties anywhere in the world. And nowhere is that more true than in the Muslim world, where a few countries — including Saudi Arabia, Iran and Sudan — still incarcerate or execute raped women.
Women convicted under these laws that are not sent to prison might be stoned or whipped. This is what happens when the pure orthodox form of the so-called “religion of peace” is implemented in a nation. As I have said before, Islam is a cult. The most orthodox or conservative forms of Christianity or Judaism could never muster this level of barbarism! Look throughout time and you’d be hard pressed to find a case where Christian or Jewish doctrine was incorporated into law and a woman was convicted for trying to convict a rapist.
Some who claim adherence to the so-called “religion of peace” are going one step further. They are actually raping women and boasting about their deeds. Because they say Islam gives them the freedom to rape.
The direct connection between the rapes and Islam is irrefutable, as Muslims are significantly overrepresented among convicted rapists and rape suspects. The Muslim perpetrators themselves boast that their crime is justified since their victims were, among other things, not properly veiled.
Still wondering?
So what is it that I should be acknowledging or understanding?
I certainly respect other human beings but are you asking to respect someone based on their religious view points?
Is Islam is compatible with the west?
Islam as a religion and a culture is incompatible with liberal, democratic and Western values. Not only is Islam inconsistent with the West, but it poses a direct and significant conflict.
Your thoughts?
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Omar ibn Anjum
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 19, 2009 - 03:20 PM
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Hah, you still don't understand that none of those countries follow Islamic Law correctly. For example, a rape is punishable by death unless the woman forgives it by Islamic Law, but those Arab countries mess up the laws by adding in their own cultural biases and tribal customs. Islam doesn't have to be compatible with the West, the West isn't the most important thing in the world. The Muslims aren't going to compromise their faith to fit in with the West or anyone else like the Christians did with the Pagan nations long ago.
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