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Kina
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
July 16, 2008 - 10:53 AM
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AND AGAIN ALL...PLEASE DO NOT CONFUSE THE BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS WITH THE LAW~ EVEN THOSE IN GUANTANAMO BAY HAVE THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY AND BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT!!!!
KINA~
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
July 16, 2008 - 11:01 AM
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Expat1970 wrote:
LOL, i have NOT got time at the moment, and whilst there are only 14 articles in the UDHR, i admit not knowing all by heart.
Is freedom of speech one of them?? Is there a rule on takingitglobal against editing people's posts just coz you cant stand the heat?? Looks like a blatant abuse of moderator powers to me
Thats like holocaust deniers rewriting history coz it causes them embrarassment
You claim ( human) Rights for yourself, that you consider redundant and irrelevant. I believe thats called HYPOCRISY
I wouldnt even alllow u to moderate my forums much less to decide if sheik mohamaed should live or die
Expat..cool down, we're born with these simple human rights and it's just an opinion but the fact is they're not meant to be earned and someone else may understand them differently as well, okay? Let's all discuss without coming off hard on any one's opinion. Remember we all think differently and we can disagree to agree! What do you think?
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
July 16, 2008 - 11:08 AM
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Expat1970 wrote:
Stick your head under the sand all the time you feel like it, but that will not change the fact that there is value in having different opinions in a discussion.
Human rights have been supported (or attacked) out of inertia, and none of the stands is better than the other one. If you are going to support or attack human rights, do it because of a conscious and informed decision you are making.
You will not be so informed if you don't know the other side of the argument, will you?
His side of the argument is that Universal Human rights are redundant and irrelevant. *
By his definition, SO if he s so inferior then why should i bother to listen to his side of the story?
I am doing a bit of satire here, if you have recognised it yet.
For a person of Armenian heritage whose people have been crying genocide for decades, i was a bit amazed to hear him say that.
He didn't grab a random quote and call it zOMG THE STUPIDEST MESSAGE EVARRRR, did he?
If you're not ready to reply to messages like that actually having a point, then just avoid internet forums. It'll do your liver better.
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FaerieGirl
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
July 16, 2008 - 11:32 AM
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mnopq wrote:
Lets take some articles and analyse the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
This post was edited on: 2008-07-16 at 05:43 AM by: mnopq
OK. I went through that, and here is my response to all the points.
I have say I don't agree with most of it, but at least I promise I won't throw rocks at you randomly 
ARTICLE 5
I think that they don't deserve torture. I have to agree with the Declaration with this.
Moral basis for this:
1) If we say that people deserve torture, what basis are we going to use to say, to begin with, who does. We'll have to go through the whole process of defining who may be subject to torture.
Is a 16-year-old boy who may have killed someone subject to torture?
After defining who, we will have to define *what* can earn you the life-changing experience of torture.
Is someone who committed murder to save his own life in war subject to torture?
2) To commit torture, we will need people who commit it. So what basis will we use to say that these people have the moral authority to give torture? Or will it just be given by your random guard who very possibly raped someone in war and killed children?
3) To accept torture as a true form of social control we will have to deny the usefulness of a lot of methods that were created to reintegrate people who committed crimes to society, which I consider only fair when society itself participated in the shaping of criminal minds.
ARTICLE 13
I consider this one of the utopic rights by definition (even more than most of the other ones).
Laws are the ones that contradict this right. In principle, the right is not contradicting itself.
I don't think the discussion of an article that is not visible in legal application is worth it, but this gives you points to prove that the Declaration is not very helpful in immediate actions.
(Continues)
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FaerieGirl
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
July 16, 2008 - 11:33 AM
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(Continues)
ARTICLE 24
I think that human groups are way more complicated than what you need to say that people are divided in terms of will between those who are not lazy to work and who are too lazy to do so.
If human actions came entirely from free and conscious decisions that emanated from their will, then yes - I think you'd have a very solid point there. But lack of personal productivity cannot be attributed to will only. There are anthropological studies out there that can prove that poverty, for one, and its presence in the genetics of many generations has to do with it.
I've written too much now, but I'm willing to discuss the entire Declaration if you'd like to do it. We may be surprised if we analyze the whole thing.
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
July 17, 2008 - 02:09 AM
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Hmm, if you write idiotic things on the net, you can expect to go down in flames LOL
Besides, i have been generous in my wording !!
That clause on torture is simple: if you torture then someone else will torture and then the next and the next, it becomes a law of the jungle.
SO humans have de-evolved into savages now
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
July 24, 2008 - 10:10 AM
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The 60th celebration of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights calls for sober reflections, reflections on the goals for making the Declaration and what pertains in the world today.
I am particularly overwhelmed by the gross disrespect for the Declaration by some world leaders and people in high authority, and the existence of human rights abuses all over the world.
Recently, I started a nation wide campaign against the dehumanizing treatment met out to visa applicants by some embassies in my country- Ghana. The daily scenery in front of these embassies in which seats and sheds are not provided for visa applicants who visits these embassies are appalling. People have no option than to stand under the mercies of the weather for long hours waiting to be attended to by embassy officials.
If the goals and objectives of the Declaration are to be achieved, then there is the need for world leaders to be fully committed to it.
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
August 13, 2008 - 09:11 AM
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I have seen ill practices that negates and abuses human rights.
Citizens, sometimes, are denied to exercise the voting rights,opposition communities and individuals to ruling political parties are been attacked and humilated.
Police patrol teams have also picked up youths, reprimanded them and put them to prison without due legal processes.
Journalists have also come under attack and harrassment for doing their reportorial duties.
All these excesses must be stopped.There is therefore need to support the declaration to curb these uncurt tendencies.
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
August 13, 2008 - 09:13 AM
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[b]
tamsgogo wrote:
I have seen ill practices that negates and abuses human rights.
Citizens, sometimes, are denied to exercise the voting rights,opposition communities and individuals to ruling political parties are been attacked and humilated.
Police patrol teams have also picked up youths, reprimanded them and put them to prison without due legal processes.
Journalists have also come under attack and harrassment for doing their reportorial duties.
All these excesses must be stopped.There is therefore need to support the declaration to curb these** uncurt tendencies.
www.[link="http://www.hubpages.com/tamsgogo/author"]*[quote]
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Mohamed Barrie
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
August 21, 2008 - 11:59 AM
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Thank you very much for this topic it means a great archivement towords human race if we comply with the laws and others.But i belive it have not been respected in many countries particular africa and middle east.children where not geven there right there are many children that are left like this no proper treatmen no education and they are our future leaders of tommorow if they dont archive education how can they role us tommorow some where given guns in war and train to kill.is this a life they should live?i wish they will consider this matter seriously and put strict laws to the leaders there mothers and father there future is in our hand.
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
September 6, 2008 - 02:46 AM
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With the vigour and the direction the world is heading today, the talk on human rights is all a matter of interests. The understanding of the mighty on human rights is to create an enabling environment to consolidate their act and not necessarily for the benefit of them and others. To the oppressed it means getting at par with the mighty in the best way they think. In the process the two major groups which are common throughout the world having taken different facets in the form of governments, lobbying, decision-making, equitable distribution of wealth, to mention but afew clash and therefore the fight for Human rights turns out to be a fierce battle to stamp authority and recognition-this time using the very resources we expect to make the world better with. To me this is just but promoting cordial relations amongst members with similar interests. To end it all, the core objective in the declaration has never been met and it won't be any time soon. Thank you.
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DakotaStorm
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
September 6, 2008 - 08:12 AM
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 I am living in Australia,am Native Nth American Indian and wish to add ok,yes the Australian Government has publiicly said their Appologies for their past wrongs,but living in close personal contact with many Aboriginal Tribal Communities,For these people this appology is just empty hollow words,meaning nothing whilst our Australian Government continues to deny Land Rights,Enforce the continued supression of their culture,,their communities,to still dare to dictate how these people cannot really take care of their own buisness nor agendas,to continue to try & often succeed in taking away their children,in the continuing enforcement of such low living standards upon enforced "Missions" which are no-better than those forced to live within our third world nations,No housiing-No schooling-No Healthcare.What does Sorry Mean if the words are not followed through with real Actions?Many people outside Australia do not have an adequate understanding because the Australian Government likes to present itself as being so very Multicural,so Helpful,Most of the real truth of the Real Australia is Cencored,how can an Aboriginal really feel The Westerners & the Government are truly sorry when they still endure Racism,Classism,it's only a small select few whom are acknowledged & Honoured like KathyFreedman & others as such,for the Australian Government to use towards telling the rest of the world just how great they are.Why is it that NO Aboriginal or Torrens Straight Islander are able 2 speak 4 themselves,it is always a western representative speaking for them-time 2 let these people speak 4 themselves & tell their stories from how they see & feel it & not Western man!
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
September 6, 2008 - 08:25 AM
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I happen to agree with everything you have said in regards to Human Rights.Yes lets wait and see,what really comes from these orginizational agendas.For anything can look good written down,putting it into actual practice is another thing alltogether,all I can hope for is that this time they will take a real stand towards putting the Declaration into actual practice around our whole globe.
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
September 29, 2008 - 10:16 PM
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rights are important for everyone not only becuase it is fare but becuase it is required to for a society to function; In a society we live with others , how can we live and breath if we opress eachother under our views, and opinion[quote] by alexandra tome
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
November 14, 2008 - 02:13 AM
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I think it's commendable that we even have such a thing as a universal declaration of human rights.
I think we could take these human rights closer to heart, and perhaps they could offer somewhat more corporeal protection. Of course I might just be an idealist.
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