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Robert
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 19, 2009 - 03:54 PM
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The Muslims aren't going to compromise their faith to fit in with the West or anyone else like the Christians did with the Pagan nations long ago.
Eloquently spoken from someone who lives in the West.
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Omar ibn Anjum
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 19, 2009 - 06:53 PM
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If that was a compliment then thanks. 
If it was an insult, which it most likely was, then I say how can I choose where I was born or live? A job is the normal reason for families moving around the place, we can't control that. I have to say that I noticed Americans are really nice to us Pakistanis/Indians compared to the British, which is really nice. People are nicer in general here. Just because I am in the West doesn't mean that I am compromising my religion to fit in, I am still a Muslim like any other. And even if someone did try to "modernise" Islam by changing it, no one would accept it, changes to the faith are unacceptable.
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Robert
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 19, 2009 - 07:31 PM
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Read - PROCLAMATION OF THE NEW ISLAM
TAHIR ASLAM GORA
Interesting read
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Omar ibn Anjum
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 19, 2009 - 10:58 PM
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Wow, whoever wrote that is not a Muslim. Not designating the title of Prophet to anyone, allowing alcohol and pork, equating current scholars with prophets, ending the concept of sin, and this concept of a "universal god" are all ridiculous to any sane minded Muslim. Do not cite these texts unless you are literate in the faith enough to tell what is fabrication and propaganda and what is not.
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Robert
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 20, 2009 - 12:27 AM
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adeltaY wrote:
Wow, whoever wrote that is not a Muslim. Not designating the title of Prophet to anyone, allowing alcohol and pork, equating current scholars with prophets, ending the concept of sin, and this concept of a "universal god" are all ridiculous to any sane minded Muslim. Do not cite these texts unless you are literate in the faith enough to tell what is fabrication and propaganda and what is not.
I'd bet I'm far more "literate" in the faith then you.
Tahir Aslam Gora (born 1963) is a Pakistani editor, Islamic scholar trained in Saudi Arabia, a publisher and translator.
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Omar ibn Anjum
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 20, 2009 - 06:27 PM
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Ask pretty much any scholar about what is said and they will say that this is not a Muslim.
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Robert
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 21, 2009 - 01:19 PM
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adeltaY wrote:
Ask pretty much any scholar about what is said and they will say that this is not a Muslim.
I have asked and YES he is a Muslim. How can he not be?
Did Allah not give you a brain to think with?
He was "classically" trained in Saudi Arabia. Are you saying the Kingdom is wrong?
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 22, 2009 - 12:55 PM
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If you were literate in the faith you would know right off the bat that Saudi is not even an Islamic government since it has a "Royal Family". By Islam there are no more Kings after the prophethood of Muhammad (S).
Also, just because you are trained traditionally doesn't mean that you can go crazy and start spouting off rubbish like this person is. These so called "Reformist Muslims" aren't even Muslims and are propagating a false image of Islam to the public.
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 23, 2009 - 11:25 AM
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The Qur'an is the constitution of the country, governed on the basis of Islamic law.
There are a lot of people who think Islam needs an overhaul. I'll take his version over what we currently see in the world today.
This post was edited on: 2009-03-23 at 03:10 PM by: aymanelhakea (Moderator)
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Omar ibn Anjum
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 23, 2009 - 01:02 PM
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That isn't even Islam then, any "new" version of Islam is not Islam any more. I don't really care what you would take and neither do most Muslims since you aren't Muslim yourself. What this person is saying goes against all the doctrines of Islam and so will never be accepted by any Muslim.
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Saladin
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 23, 2009 - 03:13 PM
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Robert,
it is interestign that you put a list of Muslim nations whose policies do not "match" with the UDHR. The fact that you failed to mention is that those who call for Human Rights are the same ones who are keeping those tyrant Muslim regimes in place, and providing them with "security" trainings, torture manuals, and armament shipments.
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 23, 2009 - 03:55 PM
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adeltaY wrote:
That isn't even Islam then, any "new" version of Islam is not Islam any more. I don't really care what you would take and neither do most Muslims since you aren't Muslim yourself. What this person is saying goes against all the doctrines of Islam and so will never be accepted by any Muslim.
Muslims are not only adopting it all over the world but accepting it.
The majority of the terrorist acts of the last three decades, including the 9/11 attacks, were perpetrated by Islamic fundamentalists in the name of Islam.
Unfortunately, Islamic religious texts, including the Qur'an and the Hadith contain many passages, which call for Islamic domination and incite violence against non-Muslims. It is time to change that. Muslim fundamentalists believe that the Qur’an is the literal word of Allah. But could Allah, the most Merciful, the most Compassionate, command mass slaughter of people whose only fault is being non-Muslim?
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 23, 2009 - 03:56 PM
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Please elaborate.
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Omar ibn Anjum
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 23, 2009 - 07:00 PM
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Basically the radicals are misinterpreting these passages and hadith to suit their own ends. The traditional interpretation from the early days of Islam is nothing like what the radicals are saying. We basically need to return to the truth that was already there and not to change the word of Allah (SWT) and His Prophet Muhammad (S). What you are saying sounds quite similar to what the notorious speaker and author Irshad Manji is propagating. Let me tell you right now that she has no form of scholarly knowledge in Arabic or any other facet of Islam, and in fact most of the so-called Imams who side with her have not obtained official Islamic documents certifying that they are Imams. Beware of what her and others like her say.
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Saladin
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Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights
March 24, 2009 - 02:07 PM
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Muslims are not only adopting it all over the world but accepting it.
The majority of the terrorist acts of the last three decades, including the 9/11 attacks, were perpetrated by Islamic fundamentalists in the name of Islam.
We are dusicssing the UDHR, and not your particular views on Islam. I urge all participants to maintain the topic of this discussion.
Moreover, I can prove to you, by numbers, that during the past 3 decades, most victims of violence/terrorism were not linked to Islam, unlike what you perceive.
Unfortunately, Islamic religious texts, including the Qur'an and the Hadith contain many passages, which call for Islamic domination and incite violence against non-Muslims. It is time to change that. Muslim fundamentalists believe that the Qur’an is the literal word of Allah. But could Allah, the most Merciful, the most Compassionate, command mass slaughter of people whose only fault is being non-Muslim?
I believe in those Islamic texts, and I do not find them matching with what you say. If you would like to discuss this subject, you can do it on another relevant thread, since this is off-topic.
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