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Saudi Women treated like children? (Updated 10/30/08)
April 23, 2008 - 11:47 AM
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Update 10/30/08:King Abdullah hopes that a women’s university will help get women into the job market, which is part of his larger plan for modernization.
Full Story - click here
New York-based Human Rights Watch released a report Monday saying that women in Saudi Arabia are being treated as “perpetual minors.”
Full Story - findingDulcinea.com - click here
Update: The story of a female Saudi college student driving to rush her father and two brothers to the hospital has played into the national debate over women behind the wheel.
Full Story - click here
This post was edited on: 2008-10-30 at 03:35 PM by: yougee
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Re: Saudi Women treated like children?
April 23, 2008 - 08:40 PM
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Interesting story, specially when i have just met a 22 years old Saudi girl, who had been granted a government scholarship to get her master degree from Japan, and she is living alone here, and the money is paid by her government!!!
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Re: Saudi Women treated like children?
April 23, 2008 - 08:52 PM
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But she better not try getting a driver's license in Saudi Arabia, because it will be denied. Why???? Woman are banned from driving in Saudi Arabia.
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Re: Saudi Women treated like children?
April 24, 2008 - 10:06 AM
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@Prieten
Do you have any Problem with Saudian Women not having the right to get a driving license !?
Did ever a Saudi women asked you about the rights of women in Japan...
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Re: Saudi Women treated like children?
April 25, 2008 - 01:38 AM
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Payab wrote:
@Prieten
Do you have any Problem with Saudian Women not having the right to get a driving license !?
Did ever a Saudi women asked you about the rights of women in Japan...
Question one: YYYESSS! I do have a problem with women being treated like children. The Saudi Arabian women who petition almost every year to get the right (they were turned down again as recently as January) to drive a car also have a problem with it.
Some people's mindset really bothers me. They try to imply that if one is not personally being discriminated against, one should just not open one's mouth when other people are being discriminated against.
Question two: No. So what?
Payab, you promised us a personal update on the Taliban massacre of those 85 children last year. You claimed you weren't sure the Taliban did it. Can you fill us in on the status of your investigation?
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Re: Saudi Women treated like children?
April 26, 2008 - 07:23 AM
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Payab - that was just... wow...
it is like you live in the dark ages. I have a newsflash for you - the 12th century ended 800 years ago
do you think that women are not smart enough to operate cars? or just that they are not really human beings that deserve basic freedom?
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Re: Saudi Women treated like children?
April 28, 2008 - 05:04 AM
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@Luke
I think it is important to discuss the Rape cases in USA then the rights of Saudian women to get a driving license in Saudi.
and yes you are in Dark Ages with these Statistics
http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm
Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice. read more yourself.
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Re: Saudi Women treated like children?
April 28, 2008 - 11:09 AM
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"I think it is important to discuss the Rape cases in USA then the rights of Saudian women to get a driving license in Saudi."
well then you should start another thread about that subject and we can discuss it there - THIS thread is about Saudi women getting the right to drive.
Payab you obviously have no good reason why Saudi women shouldn't drive so you try to completely change the subject - its pathetic.
stop running away from the topic and give me a decent reason why you think Saudi women should not drive cars.
by the way - in your country (and in Saudi Arabia) a 50 year old man can marry (and have sex) with a 14 year old girl. In America that is called "rape".
AND in the US a girl who is raped in considered a victim - unlike Saudi Arabia where a rape victim gets punished with 200 lashes.
maybe this policy to punishing the victims of rape lead to many rapes in Saudi Arabia to go unreported.
but all of that is beside the point - you are just trying to change the subject because you know there is no good arguement for why Saudi Women should not have the freedom to drive cars.
if you think there is a good reason for this then say so here - and stop running away from the issue and trying to change the subject.
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Re: Saudi Women treated like children?
April 28, 2008 - 11:20 AM
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The story seems to be more than the women having the right to drive. It also states that public places such as restaurants and offices are segregated according to sex, and women must always be in the company of a male guardian while out in public.
Which is why the Rights group is stating that they are being treated like minors.
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Re: Saudi Women treated like children?
April 29, 2008 - 04:39 PM
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people in saudi arabia live as if it is still the 12th century. there is a bit of difference however. let me see which?
it is that they were nikes and talk into nokias and feed themselves in mcdonalds...the double stadradr of hate and love of west is so prevailing and at the same time so incrusted in hearts and minds of people from the region that they dont even notice the line. to them it is as seemless and as natural to wear a levis jeans underneath and a traditional suadi woman cover-up and to use l'oreal for make up in addition to wearing a hijeb and to recite koran while 5 mins after watching MTV that all comparison or rational discourse is purpotedly senseless in advance.
to have fatih is no crime. to be blind about surrounding world and to have an unfettered faith is somewhat unacceptable in this world, except where it can be afforded at the expense of non-renewable and soon-to-expire natural resources.
saudi women had a chance in mid-80s to get driver rights but they themselves rejected it. afterall, democracy and equality are not just idealistic words coming from the mouth of free and proud. in suaid arabia, their mentality is such that most of democratic values will make no sense, including driving rights for women. their mentality os corresponding to monarchy, which they rightly deserve and now rejoice.
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Re: Saudi Women treated like children?
June 16, 2008 - 11:00 AM
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I think not all Saudian Women rejected to have this rights, if they've given the chance, why not just make it legal to get driver's license there?so they can get it anytime... C'mon guys we are already in this modern years, treatment should be fair between man and woman.
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Re: Saudi Women treated like children?
June 27, 2008 - 09:06 AM
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It seems not only that women are treated like children in Saudi Arabia, but that children are being treated like women!!!
Check out this interview of a Saudi "Marriage Expert"
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8d4_1214302019
In it he says that it is okay for a father to give his ONE-YEAR-OLD daughter away in marriage.
His rational, beside the usual one about Mohammed bedding one of his many wives at the age of nine, is just hair-raising. Imagine, he says, a father who has to go on a trip and can't take his daughters with him. Won't it give him peace of mind to marry off his daughters to anyone who will take care of them and have sex with them?
I guess I was wrong, this isn't treating children like women, but chattel.
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Re: Saudi Women treated like children?
July 1, 2008 - 12:26 PM
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Ok let me clear some things …
Yes it’s true that we can’t drive cars over here and I believe it is because of cultural reasons. and I do believe that we will drive in the near future.
Some one over here mentioned that in Saudi Arabia a rape victim gets 200 lashes?! Well that is absolutely NOT true . they are treated as victims and they the criminal is prosecuted. PLZ straighten your facts.
We don’t have to have a male escort whenever we go out . we do go to restaurant, malls etc … by ourselves and it is a usual thing
We don’t live in the 12th century my friend it’s just that you don’t know how do we live , and what it is really like over here so you are making assumptions that are not true.
Yes men and women are segregated in work places, well at least a large number of them, and I don’t see how that is a problem? This is our culture and we respect it does this mean that women are treated as children?
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July 30, 2008 - 05:41 PM
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Hi Arabian-smile,
THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH FOR CLEARING ALL THESE MISCONCEPTIONS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN THIS THREAD.....
I have a friend in Saudi, and as a muslim having been raised in europe nearly all my life had been curious whether all these issues the western media has been showing really did exist. I asked her and she told me that she felt as free as anyone else in the west, but the fact she said the society she lives in cares and protects her more than in other western countries.
So im pretty glad to hear from a saudi like yourself tell us what life is really like for yourself, rather than SPECULATING how horrible life must be for saudi women, we dont EVEN LIVE THERE for gods sake, so how would we know.
Bye
Ayan
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October 23, 2008 - 08:30 AM
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New York-based Human Rights Watch released a report Monday saying that women in Saudi Arabia are being treated as “perpetual minors.”
Full Story - findingDulcinea.com - click here
Yougee, I quote the following sentence from the above article, which you have provided:
" But Mary Dejevsky of British newspaper The Independent questions the study, citing Qatar’s financial success: “When campaigners demand an end to such ‘misguided’ policies as segregation by sex, what they are actually saying is that Western ways rule. One look at the newly prosperous Gulf states should call that assumption into question.”
What I want to say basically, is that rating ways adopted by certain nations against ways adopted by my nation hardly tends to seem open-minded. Meanwhile, it is pretty self-centred and offensive to claim that Saudi Women are treated as “perpetual minors”.
My parents spent one year in Abha, Saudi Arabia, where my mother was the head of the Infection Control Unit, and then promoted to head of the Production Efficiency Unit at the Abha Public Hospital, and “she” is clearly a “female”. She had a very positive experience and she keeps telling me how even non-Saudi Arabs have misguided perceptions regarding women’s life in Saudi Arabia.
These Human Right Watch reports are true, but they are only the tip of a large iceberg, whose bulky part cannot be thoroughly examined or experienced without actually “living” the Saudi experience. I have been myself to that country, and I have the general impression that many things on this thread are nothing but outright generalisations, and that they are mere opinions rather than concrete facts.
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