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Political Hyprocricy
April 17, 2008 - 07:25 AM
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I always find this to be amazing and 
When elections were held in Iraq and Pakistan, there were mass bombings and killings of voters, but the Western world pronounced the elections free and fair simply because their stooges had been installed
Western countries are on record as saying that they will ensure that multilateral lending agencies deny Zimbabwe any financial support as long as Zanu-PF is in power. Where is democracy in that? No matter how peaceful the elections may be conducted, the West wants Zanu-PF ousted at all costs. The issue was not about the delayed release of election results, but setting the stage for Anglo-Saxon attempts to have Zimbabwe on the agenda of the UN Security Council.
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Re: Political Hyprocricy
April 18, 2008 - 03:30 AM
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I've heard the same statement being made in reference to Kenyan politics, and to the politics of other African states.
It is true that the Western world has an investment in protecting its interests, and that its relation to developing countries is often a neo-colonial one.
However, I think we have to be careful not to give our leaders a free pass to do as they will with our nations' resources. Our leaders are not angels. We should apply the same level of criticism to them that we apply to the West.
Some of our leaders make use of the divisions set in place during the colonial era to reward their families and cronies and to impoverish members of other ethnic groups. That is exactly what the colonial governments did with their colour bar.
This post was edited on: 2008-04-18 at 03:31 AM by: bumbuwazed
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Re: Political Hyprocricy
April 21, 2008 - 10:41 AM
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well said noone is an angel so they have no rght to criticize our leaders nad moreover they are the fomer coloniser what human rights can they teach us
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Re: Political Hyprocricy
April 24, 2008 - 04:56 AM
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dkaiyo, you have totally missed Bumbuwazed's point. Let's look at what he said again:
bumbuwazed wrote:
I've heard the same statement being made in reference to Kenyan politics, and to the politics of other African states.
It is true that the Western world has an investment in protecting its interests, and that its relation to developing countries is often a neo-colonial one.
However, I think we have to be careful not to give our leaders a free pass to do as they will with our nations' resources. Our leaders are not angels. We should apply the same level of criticism to them that we apply to the West.
Some of our leaders make use of the divisions set in place during the colonial era to reward their families and cronies and to impoverish members of other ethnic groups. That is exactly what the colonial governments did with their colour bar.
In the first two paragraphs he does criticize the Western world, but in the next two paragraphs, he is saying "we" (meaning Africans) shouldn't give our leaders (meaning Mugabe, for example) a free pass to do whatever they want with "our" (meaning African) resources. Bumbuwazed may be writing from the United States, but I suspect he is African and is saying "we" (Africans) should apply the same criticism to "our" (meaning African) leaders that we apply to the West.
This is a very refreshing attitude to hear here in TIG. It is very easy to criticize foreign governments, but apparently some people are so blinded by their patriotism/loyalty/ideology, that they can't imagine criticizing their own governments. The sad fact is that most of the world's governments pretty much only respond to criticism from their own citizens and don't care about what foreigners say. And equally sad is that those who would criticize their own government rarely have as much free access to the Internet and TIG as do the government supporters.
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Re: Political Hyprocricy
April 24, 2008 - 10:18 AM
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AS I SAID NOONE IS AN ANGEL FOR SURE OUR LEADERS HAVE THEIR FAULTS BUT MY POINT IS NO LEADER IN THE WEST HAS A MORAL GROUND TO LECTURE US ON ISSUES OF HUMAN RIGHTS,GOVORNANCE ETC AS THEY HAVE ALSO COMMITTED ARTROCITIES AND THEY ARE NOT JUDGED BY ANYONE.PEOPLE PLAY A BLIND EYE TO THE ABUSE OF HHUMAN RIGHTS IN THE WEST OR BEING COMMITTED IN IRAQ FOR EXAMPLE. BUSH IS JUST AS BAD AS SOME OF OUR LEADERS WHO ARE BEING CRITICIZED TODAY.AND MANY GO UNCRITICIZED BECAUSE THEY ARE PUPPETS OF THE WEST LIKE MUSHARRAF, BHUTTO WAS KILLED AND NOONE IN THE WEST RAISED A HOOT ABOUT IT.THATS HYPOCRCY IM TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!
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May 2, 2008 - 05:07 AM
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Now we hear Nelson Mandela is on the list of terrorist in the US. What some level of hypocricy once labelled and still labelled but he received the Nobel peace award okay now we give noebel awards to terrorists? Putting Mandela in the same bracket as Bin Ladin gentlemen lets be be serious.Americans can't be serious.
[link="http:///www.google.co.zw/search?hl=en&q=ANC+Leaders+Weiver+to+the+US&btnG=Google+Search"].
Also while it was OK for the British and the whole Western world to lend their full support to Ian Smith even after imposing sanctions, when the same kinship assistance is rendered to President Mugabe by regional leaders, there is everything wrong with it.
Talk of hypocricy
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Re: Political Hyprocricy
May 14, 2008 - 04:10 AM
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The former US assistant secretary of state for African Affairs in the Reagan administration, Chester Crocker, who was opposed to the imposition of sanctions against Apartheid South Africa preferring what he called "constructive engagement," which latter became Washington’s official policy towards the racist regime in Pretoria.
The premise was that instead of economic sanctions on, and divestment from Pretoria, the West had to ‘‘use incentives to encourage South Africa to gradually move away from apartheid.’’
US supported Apatheid South Africa a policy which degraded and discriminated Africans. Talk of human right!
below an interesting article
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20021028/zunes
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Re: Political Hyprocricy
May 16, 2008 - 09:51 AM
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Here is a country and leadership claiming to be paragons of liberty and democracy but which had no qualms placing the leaders and members of a liberation organisation that was fighting the evil system of apartheid in occupied South Africa on travel and other forms of sanctions. Instead of recognising that the likes of Oliver Tambo, Mandela and Walter Sisulu were fighting a just war against settler oppression, they were instead labelled terrorists as the US government maintained open relations with the racist regime in Pretoria.
Ironically, this country put the ANC leadership under sanctions while it refused to impose sanctions against the racist regime that was oppressing the black majority in South Africa, preferring what they called ‘‘constructive engagement.’’
Which country is this?
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May 22, 2008 - 05:17 AM
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The attitude of Western diplomats accredited to Zimbabwe should not go unchecked and if they have this much contempt for us, they should be expelled because in any case I don’t see what Zimbabwe is benefiting from these so-called diplomats who disregard protocol and openly support and cheer the opposition.
The British government has many problems to solve in England as evidenced by Gordon Brown’s resounding loss in the recent local authority elections.
Knowing his unpopularity, Brown has been postponing elections for fear of losing.
Ironically, when elections are postponed or deferred in Zimbabwe, he adopts a holier-than-thou attitude.
Brown was recently quoted as saying that the Lebanese should be left to solve their own problems, which is very correct.
But if the Lebanese should be left to solve their own problems, why not Zimbabweans?
Can’t Zimbabweans also solve their own problems? Leave us alone Brown bread.
The Spanish Ambassador should stop visiting fictitious victims of alleged violence in posh hospitals, people who may be victims of other situations and illnesses besides political violence.
Instead, the Spanish Ambassador should attend to issues like the Basque — separatist group ETA in his home country.
The Westerners say Tibet should have autonomy, why then are they not giving the Basque region between France and Spain autonomy?
Why aren’t the British giving Ireland and Scotland total independence and not have them report to the Queen?
Even the former penal colony Australia, which is miles away from the UK, is still under of the Queen of England.
Is that democracy?
The duplicity of the West is there for all to see and Africans will no longer be hoodwinked. Double are difficult to cover
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