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Re: Zim elections a one of incident
April 15, 2008 - 07:14 AM

you speak as if you dont know what is happening and the response of ZEC and the issues of the court cases.obviously this will delay the announcement.it has happened before in Mozambique for example.This kind of view depends on which side of the fence you sit on.A learned judge of the High Court dismissed the application of this kind.the delay has not broken the law not even one bit.
As they say patience is a virtue why cant you wait for the due propcess to take its course?

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Re: Zim elections a one of incident
April 16, 2008 - 12:23 AM

Well, dkaiyo, we know what side of the fence you are sitting on.

This delay in giving out the election results has turned into a FARCE. The results of the parliamentary elections were released, why not the presidential elections?

Obviously, Mugabe and his henchmen are trying to steal the election any way they can.

The High Court judges have been repeatedly intimidated by Mugabe henchmen in the past and we can assume the remaining judges are all pro-Mugabe.

This is a sad outcome for the people of Zimbabwe and Africans everywhere.

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Re: Zim elections a one of incident
April 16, 2008 - 08:30 AM

and i dont apologise for it everyone is entitled to their opinion and for prieten47 we also know which side you sit and why.
whats so special about the delay we all know why even if some what us to believe otherwise.
When the dictator called Bush came into power it took more than five weeks for the US people to know their next leader closer home in Mozambique has also taken more than two weeks and noone lifted their voice and we all know why.Zim is a repeat of the Mozambique scenario with the opposition claiming victory before the official announcement and we all know their threats and what did end up?
Whats so special now its ZIMBABWE?*
want to see a puppet regime like the one in iraq,afganistan etc and also the one in the form of Musharaff being installed here. this WILL NEVER happen*
We noe know better when they killed Lumumba,Nkrumah and a host of other Pan Africanists. We will not allow them to take that route here!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Zim elections a one of incident
April 17, 2008 - 09:16 PM

dkaiyo wrote:

Whats so special now its ZIMBABWE?*
want to see a puppet regime like the one in iraq,afganistan etc and also the one in the form of Musharaff being installed here. this WILL NEVER happen*
We noe know better when they killed Lumumba,Nkrumah and a host of other Pan Africanists. We will not allow them to take that route here!!!!!!!!!

The madman Mugabe has destroyed Zimbabwe's economy, there is 100,000% inflation, 80% unemployment, up to a third of Zimbabwe's population has fled the country to avoid starvation, and now the madman has lost an election, but is still clinging to power...

I think anyone in their right mind would demand Mugabe step down for the sake of Zimbabwe and its people.

BUT NO, some people don't care about the people of Zimbabwe. They are still fixated on pan-Africanists from a by-gone era.

No, they will not allow democracy in Zimbabwe! They will not allow the people of Zimbabwe to choose their own leader! They think the Zimbabweans are too stupid to choose their own leader in a democratic election, so they justify keeping the results of the election secret.

Who is acting "imperial" here, if not the madman Mugabe and his supporters?

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Re: Zim elections a one of incident
April 21, 2008 - 04:44 AM

Prieten47 says "No, they will not allow democracy in Zimbabwe! They will not allow the people of Zimbabwe to choose their own leader! They think the Zimbabweans are too stupid to choose their own leader in a democratic election, so they justify keeping the results of the election secret."

who said the results are a secret? they are going to be published after they ZEC has completed its job.
Why are people so impatient with Zim when we all know Belgium took 8 months to announce its result and noone raised a finger.
Our election results were prejudged by our enemies seeing from the comment of Brown and Bush.None of the thought that His Excellency RG Mugabe still enjoys the support he has.Sensing their tactics of sanction has failed they noe try to discredit our electoral process.

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Re: Zim elections a one of incident
April 23, 2008 - 12:55 AM

dkaiyo wrote:

who said the results are a secret? they are going to be published after they ZEC has completed its job.
Why are people so impatient with Zim...
Because Mugabe is using this time to murder his opposition:

Zimbabwe opposition pleads for international intervention

The Independent
By Angus Shaw in Johannesburg
Monday, 21 April 2008

Zimbabwe resembles a war zone, with thousands of people displaced, hundreds injured, and 10 killed in postelection violence, an opposition leader said yesterday.

Tendai Biti, secretary general of the Movement for Democratic Change (MDC), said violence since the 29 March election had forced 3,000 families out of their homes. Hundreds of people had been injured and 10 people killed, he said.

He said key members of the opposition had been arrested. Mr Biti and the MDC president, Morgan Tsvangirai say they face arrest if they return to Zimbabwe.

On Saturday, electoral officials began recounting ballots for a couple of dozen legislative seats being challenged. Most seats being recounted had been declared for opposition candidates, including Mr Mugabe's home district of Zvimba.

Mr Biti said: "They created fresh ballot papers. It is clear the dictatorship will do everything to try to reverse the people's victory. Mugabe can delay ... but he will go." The state-owned Zimbabwe Broadcasting Corporation said the re-count could take three days.

Mr. Biti said President Mugabe was desperate.

The opposition released a detailed list of its supporters who had been injured or killed since the elections.

Human Rights Watch has said that "torture and violence are surging in Zimbabwe". It warned of "torture camps to systematically target, beat and torture people suspected of having voted for the MDC in last month's elections".

This week the UN secretary general, Ban Ki-moon is expected to discuss the crisis with African leaders at a trade meeting in Ghana.

On Saturday in Nairobi, the former UN chief Kofi Annan questioned whether leaders on the continent were doing enough to help Zimbabwe. "Where are the Africans? Where are the leaders and the countries in the region? What are they doing? It's a crisis that will impact beyond Zimbabwe and we have a responsibility to find viable solution."
I guess Kofi Annan is also an American stooge!?

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Re: Zim elections a one of incident
April 25, 2008 - 07:46 AM

koffi annan is a white man in a blackman's skin.I have a contact who used to work with in the UN said he hated to be called an african.thats besides the point according to me he is like jendayi,rice(lies).
back to elections we are going to have them and stop all these speculation the bad part of it is the US/UK have already declaired the opposition as the winner this is very unfortunate when INDEPENDENT tallies show that there is no outright winner. So why cant we wait for the announcement,go for the rerun and see what happens.Why announcing your own winners?
food for thought
[link="http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/Zimbabwe/0,,2-11-1662_2312282,00.html"]

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Re: Zim elections a one of incident
April 26, 2008 - 04:34 AM

dkaiyo wrote:

koffi annan is a white man in a blackman's skin.I have a contact who used to work with in the UN said he hated to be called an african.thats besides the point according to me he is like jendayi,rice(lies).

Kofi Annan is a white man in a Black man's skin? I don't think I have ever read anything so racist since I have started reading posts here at TIG.

Jacob Zuma of South Africa has also called for Zimbabwe to release the election results. I suppose his Blackness is also in question?

I strongly recommend "everyone" should get a dictionary and look up "ad hominem attack." In rhetoric "ad hominem attack" is known as a fallacy because one is unable to refute a man's argument, so one resorts to personal attacks. One should learn how to avoid it, if one wants to be taken seriously.

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Re: Zim elections a one of incident
April 28, 2008 - 03:16 AM

Well about Koffi its unfortunately true call it what you may but iits true. Have you ever try to understand why he was accused of financial mismanangement which is corruption in our language towards the end of his reign as the SG of UN? food for thought.
He is a stooge of the west full stop.Have you ever asked yourself why he did little for Africans especially the conflicts in Somalia, Sudan Chad etc during his time at the UN? stunned

He was used by the west in Iraq,Afghaniistan and all those blood shedding spots in the world.
He was just a face and all the power laid with Condo and before her Powell.
About Zim elections we are most likely going for a rerun as noone has the required threshold.

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Re: Zim elections a one of incident
April 30, 2008 - 09:05 AM

i encourage everone to follow the links below and see the other side of the story.
http://www.herald.co.zw/inside.aspx?sectid=33717&cat=10

http://www.herald.co.zw/inside.aspx?sectid=33701&cat=10

i believe these two articles will give you the other side of the zimbabwean situation that people dont want to mention.

Always hear the other side before you make the judgement*

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Re: Zim elections a one of incident
May 7, 2008 - 07:21 AM

Well the results are FINALLY out.And below i have made some analysis of the results.
An analysis of the presidential election results shows that President Mugabe, though trailing Tsvangirai on the popular vote by five percentage points, won in six out of 10 provinces. President Mugabe won in Mashonaland Central 65,3 percent to Tsvangirai’s 31,4, Mashonaland East 55 percent to 40,9, Mashonaland West 52,8 percent to 42,1 percent, Masvingo 49,5 percent to 45,9 percent, Matabeleland South 38,5 percent to 29,3 percent, and Midlands 48,8 percent to 44,8. While Tsvangirai won Harare 72,3 to 19,5, Bulawayo 51,4 to 11,5, Manicaland 57,4 percent to 38,4 percent, and Matabeleland North 46,7 percent to 28,3 percent.

An analysis of the House of Assembly and Senate poll results, however, shows that Zanu-PF beat MDC-T in both Houses amassing 45,94 percent of the vote to MDC-T’s 43,56 in the Senate; and 45,94 percent to 42,88 in the House of Assembly suffrage.

Put simply, more people voted for Zanu-PF than MDC-T in the parliamentary elections while more voted for Tsvangirai than President Mugabe in the presidential contest. And since the run-off will be determined by a first-past-the-post system, Zanu-PF’s supremacy in the popular vote, no doubt, is giving Tsvangirai goose bumps.

We have to wait and see as the opposition is yet to decide if they will participate in the second round.