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Afghanistan a threat for USA?
March 28, 2008 - 07:49 AM
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after six years of US control of afghanistan, the hopes of ordinary people seems dying and once again the have started supporting, at least morally and impliedly, the taliban forces in afghanistan.
the current govt. seems a failure in solving the problems and providing justice to them, that certainly leads to feeling of insecurity in the masses.
this situation, i believe, is not in favor of USA and allies.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7222194.stm
In Afghanistan, the Taleban now claim to have influence across most of the country and have extended their area of control from their traditional heartland in the south.
They are able to operate freely even in Wardak Province, neighbouring the capital Kabul, as a BBC camera crew who filmed them recently found.
One of their commanders in Wardak, Mullah Hakmatullah, said they do not control the roads nor the towns, but they hold the countryside and have increasing support because of the corruption of the administration.
"The administration do not solve people's problems. People who go there with problems have to give a lot of money in bribes and then they get stuck there," Mullah Hakmatullah said.
'Much better now'
Support from villagers is essential to their ability to continue operations through the winter months.
Local people said that they were willing to help the Taleban because they supported their brand of justice.
In one of the villages under their control, people willing to come forward and talk to the BBC said that security was much better now that the Taleban were there.
One of them, Gul Wazir, said that the Taleban were prepared to try to resolve small problems.
"Even if it's a minor thing, the Taleban will sort it out. Before (when the government of President Karzai was in control) it was not like that. They did not pay attention to us and the poor people were ignored."
The Taleban group showed off weapons, including a heavy machine gun they said they had captured from government forces."
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Re: Afghanistan a threat for USA?
April 4, 2008 - 10:09 AM
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USA is threatened by anyone who chose to go aginst it or not dance to their tune.Very fun
Condoleeza Rice or should i say Lies actually called Zimbabwe of all countries a "threat to US foreign policy" have you ever wondered why?
A prisident actuall signing ZIDERA a wicked law because of the landreform.
the policies we pursue are said to be anti american who cares if they are for the people. In iraq and afganistan they are in trouble they have started what they can no finish.
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Re: Afghanistan a threat for USA?
April 9, 2008 - 07:19 PM
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To be fair, any nine people with box cutters and some homemade explosives are a threat to the U.S.
The question is are we decreasing or increasing the number of potential nutcases with utility knives by being there. I'm honestly not sure.
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Re: Afghanistan a threat for USA?
April 10, 2008 - 10:50 AM
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wvanbokk wrote:
To be fair, any nine people with box cutters and some homemade explosives are a threat to the U.S.
The question is are we decreasing or increasing the number of potential nutcases with utility knives by being there. I'm honestly not sure.
we have to take circumstancial evidence into consideration! and it certainly shows that afghanistan is prooving bad for USA. killings, bombing, indiscriminate bombings of insurgents as well as NATO and USA!!!
so issue is a bit complex still, v can ascertain the threat!
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Re: Afghanistan a threat for USA?
April 28, 2008 - 04:10 AM
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little Zim was once called a threat to US foreign relations for defending DRC and also giving back the land to its rightful owners.
these guys account for 30%of all arms trade in the world China still at 1% and they call themselves upholders of democracy.Democracy in whose definition?
democracy my foot
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Re: Afghanistan a threat for USA?
April 28, 2008 - 08:27 AM
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Still i am confused why NATO is here in Afghanistan.....Everyone is Playing around...they have created castles for thier own and they are safe in there...they have blocked the roads in kabul coz of thier own security.....why is NATO here ????????
Can anyone asnwer me ?
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Re: Afghanistan a threat for USA?
May 5, 2008 - 03:26 AM
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Well you asked a good question there why is NATO in Afganistan.
Your answer lies in establishing what resources do Afghanistan as a country possess? Is is oil,Uranium etc? What is it that is there? If you can answer these question you are on your way to eastblish why NATO is in your country.
NATO is the to perpetuate the imperialist agenda of the West(Worst/Waste) and to establish their little kingdoms and control the resources of another country.
Also you need to appreceate the location of Afganistan and its importance in the USA's agenda to control the middle east and its resources.If you can understand this you can at least begin to know why the animal called NATO is firmly rooted in Afghanistan.
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Re: Afghanistan a threat for USA?
May 5, 2008 - 02:23 PM
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Well you asked a good question there why is NATO in Afganistan.
Your answer lies in establishing what resources do Afghanistan as a country possess? Is is oil,Uranium etc? What is it that is there? If you can answer these question you are on your way to eastblish why NATO is in your country.
NATO is the to perpetuate the imperialist agenda of the West(Worst/Waste) and to establish their little kingdoms and control the resources of another country.
Also you need to appreceate the location of Afganistan and its importance in the USA's agenda to control the middle east and its resources.If you can understand this you can at least begin to know why the animal called NATO is firmly rooted in Afghanistan.
Mate, this answer is so cliched and typical of people who live in the middle east and third world countries, including yourself. It doesn't surprise me at all that you would have this fear of some sort of imperialistic agenda from the West.
You can not forget that it is the Afghan government that wants NATO in their country to save it from what it was before.
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Re: Afghanistan a threat for USA?
May 6, 2008 - 02:15 AM
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foster88 you don't understand the underlying realities that are there in terms of resources. Don't blame on the so called 3rd World countries we kknow what we have been through and how we suffer as some people were exploiting us under colonialism.
Its not a hidden point that that though colonialism is gone there is an animal called neocolonialism and imperialism that is rearing its ugly head. Former colonial masters still wants to control our resources. To do this they establish puppet regimes, set up miitary bases, sponsor rebel movements etc in their former colonial territories.
NATO you said are in Afghanistan to protect them from what was there before-thats a lie US and her alliance of evil invaded Afghanistan on the pretence of flushing out terrorists the Taliban and now they have built camp and have set up a puppet regime.
Nato is there to protect the interests of the imperialists period!
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Re: Afghanistan a threat for USA?
May 6, 2008 - 11:10 AM
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"Your answer lies in establishing what resources do Afghanistan as a country possess"
This is the answer of a reactionary who cannot imagine the US or NATO has any purpose beyond the most cynical.
Dkaiyo - why not answer your own question - what resources does Afghanistan have?
There is no Uranium in Afghanistan - there is no Oil - there is no gold or diamonds. There is a pipeline that runs through it - but that could easily be redirected.
It has cost the US and its allies billions of $ in NATO troops and direct aid to the Afghani government? So what resource makes it worth it?
It is easy to hurl accusations around - now lets see you try to back them up - NAME THE RESOURCE
If you cannot answer that question then you should admit to yourself (if no one else) that you don't have any idea what you are talking about.
And that this reactionary nonsense is not a substitute for actual thinking.
That maybe, just maybe - it has more to do with the events of 9/11 and protecting western citizens from Al Qaeda. And that after those attacks the US has a legitimate concern about the safety of its citizens.
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Re: Afghanistan a threat for USA?
May 13, 2008 - 05:21 AM
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"Despite a lengthy history of small-scale mining of gems, gold, copper, and coal, systematic exploration of Afghanistan's mineral resources did not begin until the 1960s. In the 1970s Afghanistan was discovered to have a wide variety of mineral resources, but only coal, iron ore, copper ore, and gemstones were targeted for development. Natural gas fields are scattered throughout much of Afghanistan. Recent analysis by the United States Geological Survey has indicated significant unexploited oil reserves in the north as well. After their invasion of Afghanistan in 1979, the Soviets endeavored to export some of the country's resources to the USSR. Natural gas, for example, was exported by pipeline across the Amu Darya into the USSR in the 1980s. By the mid-1990s there was little mineral or oil and gas extraction."quoted from the link below.
www.afghanistans.com/Information/NResources.htm - 8k
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/af.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Afghanistan - 67k
www.indexmundi.com/afghanistan/natural_resources.html - 4k
http://www.google.co.zw/search?hl=en&q=natural+resources+in+afghanistan&btnG=Google+Search
Need i say more?
Luke follow these links and see for yourself what is in Afghanistan and stop lying to us that there is nothing in Afghanistan.One other thing US will never do anything which is not profitable to them if not for imperialistc agenda why else will they want to be there
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Re: Afghanistan a threat for USA?
May 13, 2008 - 03:48 PM
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Need i say more?
Luke follow these links and see for yourself what is in Afghanistan and stop lying to us that there is nothing in Afghanistan.One other thing US will never do anything which is not profitable to them if not for imperialistc agenda why else will they want to be there.
I followed these links mate and there's nothing in them to suggest that NATO and the US is in Afghanistan to steal and/or control any resources or has any imperialistc agenda.
You just frantically searched the internet for something, anything, to post in response to Luke's question and could not come up with anything substantial.
I think you are grossly misinformed and should educate yourself better before you post rubbish again.
Cheers.
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Re: Afghanistan a threat for USA?
May 13, 2008 - 05:19 PM
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Copper? Iron? Coal?
The US has more Copper and Iron in the state of Utah then Aghanistan has in the whole country.
The US has them in abundance.
and at this point the US has been in Afghanistan for 7 years - if there are just there for the resources then why aren't they MINING them?
If they are so interesting in oil then why haven't they found and drilled for any in 7 years??
Nothing you posted says ANYTHING about the US trying to exploit Afghanistan's resources.
all it does say is that Afghanistan has some - meager stock - the fact they have a little- hardly legitimizes your paranoid arguement.
When one looks around the world it is obvious that there are HUNDREDS of countries with greater rescources then Afghanistan -
so the arguement that this motivated the invasion is invalid.
Especially considering the invasion came 1 month after Al Qaeda attacked the two most important cities in the US -
"why else will they want to be there"
Well I was in New York on 9/11 and witnessed with my own eyes WHY the US was going into Afghanistan.
It is naive to think even that the US's "Imperialist" and "Capitalist" interests are more at stake in the resources of Afghanistan as opposed to downtown New York.
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Re: Afghanistan a threat for USA?
May 13, 2008 - 05:20 PM
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Where Al Qaeda struck is the financial capital of the World - and especially the US - they were aiming for Wall Street - litterally.
The Stock Market lost more $money$ in the week after the attack then the entire GNP of Afghanistan for the next 10 years.
Riddle me this Sherlok - Where do the US financial interests lie - in the echem... vast ; - ) resources of Afghanistan -
or perhaps in protecting the Financial (New York) and Political (Washington) centers of power in the United States - which were both attacked by an organization inside Afghanistan?
If you think its all about money - then there is CLEARLY much more money is at stake in Wall Street then Kabul.
The US has spent what? 20 Billion $ in Afghanistan on reconstruction, combat, aid - please show me where 20 billion$ worth of natural resources are coming OUT of Afghanistan - for that matter show me where ANY natural resources are coming out of Afghanistan.
The mainland US has NEVER been attacked before - ever - so obviously the attack came as a shock, and I knew what our response was the same day it happened.
we were going to go after the bastard that killed our civilians for no good reason - and we would destroy those who wanted to destroy us - it is really not that complicated.
I suppose its comforting for you Dykaio, not to have to think about anything - you have all these reactionary positions to fall back on instead of, you know, learning about the actual issue.
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Re: Afghanistan a threat for USA?
May 14, 2008 - 02:21 AM
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i will not respond to the personal attacks that i have seen here but i will let the facts speak for themselves. And i wish you people will at least follow the links i give you
www.thenation.com/doc/20041115/parenti+america%27s+exploitation+of+afghanistan
http://www.robert-fisk.com/
www.robert-fisk.com/your_views_dec2001.htm
It must also be noted that plans to attack Afghanistan were already made well before Sept.11th. See: http://www.11september.20m.com . The events of 11 Sept. were just good luck for them as it provided a very convenient excuse to attack Afghanistan and action had to be carried out quickly while people were still under shock. As a result, the efforts of identifying the real culprits who committed the atrocities in America and bringing them to justice through International Courts of Law, were abandoned.
Over the past several years, America has committed various crimes against humanity to maintain her economy. There are various criminal charges against America pending to be answered in the International Courts of Law. It is sad that America refuses to face these charges. Being the most powerful nation, no one has the courage to bring her to justice. Please do read these charges: http://www.deoxy.org/wc/warcrime.htm -
http://www.thewinds.org/1997/02/war_crimes.html
www.commondreams.org/views01/1111-06.htm
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080428/editors2
Please read the articles objectively
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