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Amani Obeid
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Palestine: The History of a Stolen Land
June 24, 2003 - 08:33 AM
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Feel free to comment on the following quote:
"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader, I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs, We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we came here and stole their country. Why should they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion, quoted in "The Jewish Paradox" by Nathan Goldman, former president of the World Jewish Congress.
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Re: Palestine: The History of a Stolen Land
June 24, 2003 - 08:59 AM
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they should make peace because people are being murdered -they should make peace because there are two sides to every coin. They should make peace because their children are learning nothing but hate and violence - their children are becoming suicide killers - they should make peace because this is not a fight they can win and it doesn't pay to keep losing.
As a side note - much of the anti-semitism in World War 2 was practiced by Arabs in Arab lands - the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem traveled several times to Berlin To meet with Hitler and discuss how the 'Final Solution' might be implimented in the Middle East - a number of high ranking Germans were stationed in Arab countries promoting Nazism - 'Mein Kampf' was translated to Arabic and distributed throughout Arab lands and read over state run radio in countries like Palestine and Iraq.
The Farud in Baghdad was a direct result of these efforts (200 Jews brutally slain, women raped ect. by a mob of Arabs wilding crude weapons.)
Many of the Jews in Israel are from Arab lands, in some cases they were literally dumped there by the state as refugees - ie Iraq - in others they were simply fleeing persecution - like Syria and Saudi Arabia.
Ultimately this is a very complex issue and that quote represents one read on the situation
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Re: Palestine: The History of a Stolen Land
June 24, 2003 - 09:18 AM
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Some more quotes from Ben-Gurion -
"this hatred originated with the [Palestinian] Arab workers in Jewish settlements. Like any worker, the [Palestinian] Arab worker detests his taskmaster and exploiter. But because this class conflict overlaps a national difference between farmers and workers, this hatred takes a national form. Indeed, the national overwhelms the class aspect of the conflict in the minds of the [Palestinian] Arab working masses, and inflames an intense hatred toward the Jews." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 18-19)
"We do not recognize the right of the [Palestinian] Arabs to rule the country, since Palestine is still undeveloped and awaits its builders." In 1928 he pronounced that "the [Palestinian] Arabs have no right to close the country to us [Jews]. What right do they have to the Negev desert, which is uninhabited?"; and in 1930, "The [Palestinian] Arabs have no right to the Jordan river, and no right to prevent the construction of a power plant [by Jewish concern]. They have a right only to that which they have created and to their homes." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 38)
"I am unwilling to forego even one percent of Zionism for 'peace'---yet I do not want Zionism to infringe upon even one percent of legitimate Arab rights" (Shabtai Teveth, p. 70)
"our sense of morality forbids us to deny the right of a single [Palestinian] Arab child, even though by such denial we might attain all that we seek." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 159)
"We do not recognize any form of absolute ownership over any country. Any group of diligent persons, every industrious people, is entitled to enjoy the fruits of labor, and do with its talents as it pleases. it has no right to prevent others from doing the same, or to close the doors leading to nature's gifts in the faces of others. The five million inhabitants of Australia have no right to close the gates of their continent--which they alone cannot fully exploit-- and so exclude the masses of desperate people seeking a new place to work.
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Ha Thi Lan Anh
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Re: Palestine: The History of a Stolen Land
June 24, 2003 - 10:45 AM
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who is Ben-Gurion ?and what's Shabtai Teveth?
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Re: Palestine: The History of a Stolen Land
June 24, 2003 - 10:48 AM
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ops ignore my previous post plz =D
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