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Ansari, Omar Mansoor
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No democracy in the world!
June 22, 2003 - 10:48 AM
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No democracy in the world!
Those who are claiming to be democrats are liars!
If it was not the case then,
WHY?
Their grants for education are chicken feed compared with the sums spent on military?
And
WHY?
They say: “who ever is not with us is our enemy?”
And
WHY?
They tell BUT can’t and don’t listen to others?
And
WHY?
They can’t and don’t implement UN Resolution BUT military intervention?
And
WHY?
Those who initiated democracy are violating democracy?
And
WHY? WHY? WHY?
Don’t you think they are liars?
I’m asking you, I’m telling you!
WHY CAN’T YOU UNDERSTAND?
You all are DEAD TO THE WORLD!
But I am not I am not!
They can’t deceive me,
NO NEVER EVER!
I understand,
I was not born yesterday
I can UNDERSTAND the truth
Yeah I can,
I was not born yesterday...
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Funny, I agree.
July 6, 2003 - 09:00 AM
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My classmates say I am crazy, but I would love to live in another country. Being looked at by others like yourself who say I believe my is NUMBER 1 is difficult. Democracy has deteriorated, end of discussion. American politics are full of deception which is a parallel to all the lying.
What make the "good ole"(being sarcastic) U.S. believe it can override an organization such as the United Nations. Well, for that answer, you would have to go back in history and look upon the start of every head in congress expanding.
"All who are not with us are our enemies" is a cowardly way with words. Instead, we need back up and support, we are human, we cannot handle all this responsibility on our own; that might have been more accepting to other countries.(am I wrong?)
The education in the U.S. has completely gone down the tubes if you are not in a well structured private school, which most cannot afford. Do not misunderstand me, education is still valued, but the number of the individuals who value it have decreased rapidly.
Clothing is now connected to freedom, so it is perfectly natural and proper for the women/girls to ruh around in tissues and the men/boys to wear pants that exceed past their wasteline. Is this really what our society has come to? You better believe it!
I love my freedom, especially as a woman here in America. But, I don't abuse my rights as most claim they don't. There is a chance for America to be saved from its own overinflated ego, but no one has yet to take the chance. I am willing to sacrifice some of my liberties to live happily in another country without having to worry about being persecuted because of what land I live on!
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The Wall
July 17, 2003 - 07:26 AM
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What i can say? How i can start? it hadd been to much pain for every one to know that he/she is far awy from being reflected by his/her government and when you know that there is a Wall they did establish around of you.. you are occupied by the media, Yes there is their democracy not our..
there is another kind of game.
we are surrunded by the wall..
politcs became international economics..
big firms control our life.
the big question arise.. Are we Free ?
or just uncovered slaves.. for these firms..
where is the right and where is the wrong ?
where is human values? do they care for the human whoever he is.. even he/she don`t has a name or adress...
Take care.. the wall is around of you too.. even you can`t feel it.. even you don`t agree.. but things go as they would like it to be..
your free will is don`t mean anything now..
just the market now... we are all targets...
the market control our life..
and life goes on.. but untill when?
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Mike Cartier
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Afghanistan in Transition
July 17, 2003 - 09:53 AM
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Omarafgan, I can see why you are so frustrated. Your country is in such chaos and confusion right now. During times of political transition, it is often the regular citizens that get squeezed in the middle. But, this will get better. You must not give up hope. Democracy may sound like a lot of hype, but it really does work, although it is not without its problems. Some results of these changes are immediate, but many of the benefits may take years to materialize. I know that it must be difficult to be patient when there is still violence and hunger at your door, but the price you pay now will become a blessing that your children will inherit. Through this democracy, you may rise into a position of leadership, and then be able to accomplish the things that you feel are necessary in your country. Protest is a form of communication that is often the catalyst for change, but try to find ways, within the system to carry out those changes. It is always most effective to make a difference from within, than to just complain from the outside. Help Afghanistan to become the great nation it is intended to be. Don't turn away from outside help, just work at adapting it to your own country's values and priorities. You can do great things, just believe in yourself and the unlimited possibilities that democracy (which is just a method of allowing people the right to govern themselves) can bring to your country.
Michael Cartier
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Re: No democracy in the world!
July 17, 2003 - 10:23 AM
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That was a stirring post. Riveting.
What does anybody think of Enlightened Despotism? (Essentially a dictator with absolute power and the good intentions to ensure it is used appropriately.)
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Re: No democracy in the world!
July 17, 2003 - 10:45 AM
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Omarafgan - I agree with Mike, somewhat. You should put your knowledge and insight to use and educate others while becoming a part of the movement for change in your country.
I believe that education and understanding is key. With that the types of actions which bring about change come 'round.
I encourage you to put your enlightened cynicism to good use and become engaged in the affairs of those around you.
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Re: No democracy in the world!
July 19, 2003 - 01:37 AM
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In general, we need to be better at listening to the people IN Afghanistan, or Iraq, or other places, instead of just talking About them, or inviting the Same "representatives" for these countries to our conferences or meetings. As such, it is very good/necessary/etc that voices like those of Omarafghan's in here.
Omarafghan is pulling our attention to some crucial issues in his post:
* The huge increase in military spending which the US is spearheading, and also pressuring other NATO countries to go into.
* The fact that the US with the current regime seems so much less eager to _listen_ to other stakeholders than, for instance, the previous one. (I am not saying that Bill Clinton was a very good president, but he DID come across as more of an international Diplomat)
* UN resolutions. If we are using the same standards towards all countries as we did towards Iraq when it came to resolution 1441 and the socalled "material breach", then, well, several countries should be invaded by force. And as far as I know, Israel holds a world record of breaching security council resolutions.
Omarafghan, of course you were not born yesterday, and neither is many of us. But if you consider the power of the media, and how we Are influenced by the amount of doublespeak around us, then perhaps you can understand more of how many of us .. become more toothless in our pointing at the emperor's lacking clothes.
However, I do think we need more of a wake-up call in our daily lives.
Information, communication, continuity. We need to have more information (or, rather, knowledge) about the real conditions out there in the world, as well as the conditions of people living in our own society. We need to communicate more in this world, and finally there must be a better continuity, as in not every generation needing to re-invent the wheel. I am not putting this as a pro-traditions argument per se, but I think we need to at least use a better historical perspective, and to see the bigger picture. For instance, why does the US go ahead and attack Taliban Afghanistan, even tho just a few years earlier the US was (more or less) supportive of Taliban? What geopolitical changes happened?
I think we, the young people, really got to become better at showing ourselves as a "force to be reckoned with". As Jacob said: "I believe that education and understanding is key. With that the types of actions which bring about change come 'round."
It is not just a matter of you taking action, or me taking action, but We taking action, helping inspire each other, see solutions, and move on.
dltq from Bergen, Norway
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Re: No democracy in the world!
July 19, 2003 - 05:28 AM
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Ironically enough, I read a newspaper the other day with a series profiling the changing trends of Canadian life. One of the segments emphasized a trend among younger adults, in and around their 20s, who take action into their own hands. They are educated, often in university, and exercise the skills and determination to help create the change they would like to see, environmentally, socially, etc. in their country and the world. What's ironic is that these same people are those who do not identify themselves as being political. They do not vote, and they're more likely to travel abroad then remain at home indefinitely.
I'm sure the artice wasn't wholly reflective of all younger Canadians, but being a 20-something university student myself, I can say from my own experience that is a trend shared in many I know, including myself (though I'm 19 and I do vote.)
The point of the artice, in part, was that these Canadians will be back and they will excercise their political rights, voting and all, and they will be a force to be reckoned with, for the better.
The point I'd like to make is that it's easy to become disenfranchized, but even if you don't work 'within' the system, much good can come about. Life in Afganistan must really suck, to be blunt and for lack of a better word, but I hope you belive that your lone voice can mobilize others and contribute to some sort of improvement.
Even NGOs are just as much global players in international affairs as states are, and they are all a creation of collective effort which begain in either one or a few individuals.
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Democracy still beyound our grasp
July 19, 2003 - 11:28 AM
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I believe we have no democracy in the world unless serious steps are taken. Education may help us realise it but to some extend. It will pull us from considering culture infalliable.
But then we must realize that democracy is a concept and as a system of government must evolve to to reflect the needs of the society.
We are the ones who can democracy to exist Because we can create the change!! Otherwise we will forever endorse systems that suppress our rights
Judy
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Re: No democracy in the world!
July 19, 2003 - 11:51 AM
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do not give into dispair - there is no good in it.
"Democracy is the worst sytem of government in the world - except for all the others"
Democracy is a very human system, and there for a flawed system - it has all of the problems born to man - but it is also the most balanced.
I don't think Afghanistan has democracy right now, that doen's mean it will never come.
Of corse international economics have a profound influence on internaitonal polotics - that has always been the way.
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Re: No democracy in the world!
December 29, 2003 - 08:53 AM
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Dear friend:
There are many theories in the world that are limited to books, articles, and announce. Among it is the democracy, but this never means that they can never be practiced and fulfilled, that is up to us to tray for every thing that brings fortune for us and for the humanity overall. If we only complaint about the loss of values from the real world, we would have forgotten our job and responsibility. I don’t say that none should criticize the rules exist and the systems ruling. What I want to say is that we must build more than we destroy. We must practice more then we complaint, condemning a big reality like the democracy is a job that need braveness and I am happy that u have this braveness but I am sure that it is not an easy job. It will need that time that equals to the age of the democracy itself, to reject it and I don’t think u did this,
I know that you only wanted to attract our attention to those using the marks and slogans for the aims and targets that are completely opposite of it. I am with u in this , these people should be taken in list and should be pointed to, the people must know them and must be aware of them.
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Yara Kassem
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Re: No democracy in the world!
December 29, 2003 - 09:05 AM
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Omar,
You really are describing what I've been thinking of for sometime..It's really getting me so frustrating,I'm just surrounded with lies,big big lies...and where's the truth,actually,the truth is that nothing's fair around me..
Who is the enemei and who 's the allie???I really don't know
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Re: No democracy in the world!
December 29, 2003 - 09:57 AM
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"I encourage you to put your enlightened cynicism to good use and become engaged in the affairs of those around you."
hey jacob! when i saw this sentence i couldn't avoid posting a reply! i was inspired!
i may be wrong but i feel like in this discussion,there are two halfs, one half from the "north" and another one from the "south" and as many points of view!
you may not know omarafghan but i understand that you and mike give him the advice to work for his country!
i feel otherwise that this is the way people from the north acts and reacts :"enlightened cynism" when saying truth! and giving advice.....
and even if that opinion was an "enlightened cynism", everybody in the world should be aware of the danger of such opinions in reaction to what is currently happening and as a consequence of the american way to deal with foreign concerns!
i think there are so many people frustrated, so many people suffering from the wars conducted by the US goverment!i think that it could be a great danger!
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Re: No democracy in the world!
January 2, 2004 - 11:18 AM
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Hi all,
Here's my two cents worth: Democracy isn't an end in itself, it's just a political system. Democracy is a system of government that best helps us to attain the ultimate end of freedom and the actualisation of our humanity.
Many democratic systems fall short of this ideal unfortunately. Even in the UK and America, bastions of western democracies, elections hardly promote the individual's choice. Elections to the House of Representatives in the US are hopelessly slanted towards incumbent parties that gerrymander electoral districts.
In the UK, if seats were alloted proportionate to the popularity of parties the Liberal Democrats would have nearly double their amount of seats they currently hold in the first-past-the-post system.
This's all for now. More on democracy's limitations soon.
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Re: No democracy in the world!
January 3, 2004 - 03:21 AM
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Oy - this discussion is getting cynical and just plain silly. First of all no nation is trying for pure democracy - pure democracy doesn't work - it is too instable. Pure democracy means every single policy would be put to a national vote and none of our leaders would be tenured for any peroid of time but rather voted on daily.
America is a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC. We elect a class of leaders and policy makers to stable positions. That is what the electoral college is about, that is why we have senators and congresspeople voting on policy instead of the general public.
It also is functionary because you need a class of people who specialize in policy - you can't expect every person to be an expert - so we elect experts.
Is it a perfect system - of course not - such a system does not exist. There is no perfect system. If anyone here could suggest a system that works better than representative government please suggest it.
We can sit here and whine and complain that our politicians are not being honest - or we could elect different politicians. That is the beauty of democracy - there are peaceful transitions of power, and if you disagree with the leadership you can voice your discontent in the form of a vote.
But I mean Jeez Yarinos - you think the Egyptian government never lies? The Middle East is full of governments that decieve their populations.
Every position of power has the possibility of being abused.
I am by no means suggesting that you should swallow whatever the government tells you - but if you want to be able to do anything about it - you better live in a democracy where you can vote to change the leadership.
I think Remial has the best perspective on it - and the critism about incumbancy is certainly true.
More worrysome now is the way the media is forever forcasting the elections and biasing the populace. You would think that Dean had already won the democratic nomination - when not a single primary vote has been cast.
The media need to settle down and step aside and allow the democratic process to take place in a more pure and unbiased way.
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