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Three killed in riots over Mohammed's caricature: police
February 9, 2008 - 06:40 PM
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Yes infidels, It’s another episode of Moslem Rage 2008™
Everything from Teddy Bears to ice cream containers to cartoons are enough to send the ummah spilling into the streets in murderous rampages.
08/02/2008 21:30 KANO (Nigeria) (AFP)
Three killed in riots over Mohammed's caricature: police
http://www.africasia.com/services/news/newsitem.php?area=africa&item=080208213035.zigo8h5d.php
Three persons including a police officer were killed after Muslim students rioted over a caricature of Prophet Mohammed by their Christian colleagues, police and teachers said Friday.
Students of Government Secondary School Sumaila, some 76 kilometres (47 miles) south of the northern city of Kano, went on the rampage late Thursday, after a Christian student suspended for two weeks returned to the school.
He had been suspended for having drawn a caricature of the Prophet and posted it on a wall inside the school.
"Two people and a police inspector have been killed in the violence while the divisional police station and everything inside including ammunition have been burnt by the rioters", Kano police chief Aminu Yesufu told reporters outside the burnt police station.
He said aAbout 20 others were badly wounded, including the divisional police officer, who suffered a deep machete cut to the head.
Police had arrested 25 people and opened an investigation, he added.
"The students began chanting Allahu Akbar (God is the greatest) when the Christian student returned and pursued him to lynch him", Sadiq Haruna, a teacher at the school, told an AFP reporter who visited the town on Friday.
What I find rather humorous, in a mordant sort of way, is that these episodes expose a rather monumental hypocrisy that seems to be pre-defined in the Moslem psyche but amusing nonetheless.
The restrictions on illustrating or creating images of Mohammed, for fear that they might encourage or elicit worship of the prophet, represent the perceived offense here. Of course, far from being something intended to encourage worship of Mohammed, the caricature in question was apparently innocuous.
In response, raging groups of peaceful inner strugglers went out looking for a good ole’ fashioned mob inspired murder which included rioting, death and property damage… pretty much the usual events that accompany Moslem Rage 2008™, to include Moslem rage of other calendar years.
So… lets think about this, shall we? In response to fear of idolizing Mohammed, these individuals threaten violence and go on fiery rampages...in idolization of Mohammed and his reputation.
Super.
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Re: Three killed in riots over Mohammed's caricature: police
February 10, 2008 - 05:12 AM
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Sir
Do you expect the Muslims on this site to convert out of the religion? Please tell me your purpose of starting so many threads about Muslims.. I mean, if you don't mind.
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Re: Three killed in riots over Mohammed's caricature: police
February 10, 2008 - 10:34 AM
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erin69 wrote:
Sir
Do you expect the Muslims on this site to convert out of the religion? Please tell me your purpose of starting so many threads about Muslims.. I mean, if you don't mind.
Ma’am. I have no expectation or desire to convert anyone in to or out of religion.
I do, however, demand that people take responsibility for their religions and the acts committed in furtherance of those religious beliefs. That’s not unfair, is it?
Everyone here is entering a forum to defend their respective beliefs-- so clearly your assertions are going to be addressed. It's astounding how religious people take criticism of their beliefs as "attacks". If you will be so kind as to post a sourced article about… oh… say… a group of radical Lutherans who have kidnapped a hapless Calvinist and sawed off his head to the droning accompaniment of “Jesus is great”, (and made a slickly produced snuff film of same), I’ll be happy to comment on that.
How about a report of Christians rioting, burning down buildings and murdering each other because someone named a teddy bear, “hey zeus”.
Anything like that?
How about a report of a Christian majority nation that explicitly bans the practice of islam? Is there any Christian majority nation that explicitly bans the building of mosques?
As to what I post and react to, you and everyone else are in this forum of your own free will. There are people of opposing viewpoints here. I read your posts, and comment on what you say in an open and public way. When you don't like it, you make the charge that (paraphrasing), "I am trying to convert people out of religion”. Nonsense. There are many in islam who violently embrace the notion of kafir being slaughtered. Many here wish to sluff this off as inconsequential and not real islam, as though they personally are the spokesperson for what is "islam" and what is not.
Take responsibility for what your religions have wrought. I will not defend it. I won't defend the murder of people over the varying beliefs in god(s). Sorry, it’s called a functioning moral compass.
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Re: Three killed in riots over Mohammed's caricature: police
February 10, 2008 - 10:46 AM
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al-kafir wrote:
Take responsibility for what your religions have wrought. I will not defend it. I won't defend the murder of people over the varying beliefs in god(s). Sorry, it’s called a functioning moral compass.
Whose moral compass again, JUST YOUR OWN?
Btw, you do have a sharp tongue, but pray tell us if you are an atheist or a Christian? You do use christians as an example, so i wonder.
I can name you the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, I can name you Vietnam, Korea, Afganistan and Iraq as arguably religious wars for Christian way of life.
I can name you Irish civil war of religion based on the SAME god
I can name you anti-abortionists who kill in order to save life :eek:
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Re: Three killed in riots over Mohammed's caricature: police
February 11, 2008 - 07:56 AM
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neither do we have to ask u to leave your religion, the same is said in qur'an, " to u be ur religion to me be mine", Al-Kafirun.
and u should neither think that u could expose the "real image" of islam by such posts, becuse muslims are a thing totally different from islam. further, i can agree with you on many occasions, in fact i have done so, that muslims are not acting in islamic way, those practices are thier own, and even i dont know from where they got them.
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Re: Three killed in riots over Mohammed's caricature: police
February 11, 2008 - 07:03 PM
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hatamkhalid wrote:
neither do we have to ask u to leave your religion, the same is said in qur'an, " to u be ur religion to me be mine", Al-Kafirun.
and u should neither think that u could expose the "real image" of islam by such posts, becuse muslims are a thing totally different from islam. further, i can agree with you on many occasions, in fact i have done so, that muslims are not acting in islamic way, those practices are thier own, and even i dont know from where they got them.
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“muslims are a thing totally different from islam.
I have to linger over that for a bit....
Give me a minute as I’m pondering over the absurdity of that comment.
If I’m not mistaken, Moslems share at least some affiliation with islam, no? You apparently claim otherwise yet you provide no criteria for your categories of summary dismissal. I think the fundamental issue you’re attempting to avoid is dismiss the acknowledgement that Moslems can derive the perspectives which cause them to commit such heinous crimes from their holy texts. That causes you to react with indignation and denial because the alternative would require a reassessment on your part as to the motivations for Islamic terrorism.
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Re: Three killed in riots over Mohammed's caricature: police
February 13, 2008 - 12:26 PM
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Your indefatigable Kafir, aren't you? pitching about the same issue in the exactly same manner for millionth of time?
Your one-sidedness has still to find its equal. Your lack of balanced view is not only striking but borders with fictitious. it's hard to imagine someone of with so much of narrow point of view.
Let me give you some equivalents for your post. Ever heard of extraordinary renditions? Ghost planes? anonymous disappearances? Shock therapies?
Does any of this ring any bell?
There is no Mohamed in American creed or constitution but there is enough of other sensitivity-arising notions and ideas coupled with personal narrow-mindedness of those in power to best all of your realistic and unrealistic expectations as to what humans are capable of when their vile nature is revealed.
But, behold the great difference....CNN doesnt broadcast those deaths.. No glamor and publicity is given to those incidents. dissidents are suppressed and sometimes even imprisoned or assassinated - yes yes. Furthermore, authorities vehemently deny any wrongdoing and are foolish and incompetent enough to finger point the first obvious scapegoat. But they manage to carry the day because the spectators - likes of you for example - are equally flabbergasted and unquestionable and gullible enough to be fed any science fiction turned into televised show of a theater.
Remember that....
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Re: Three killed in riots over Mohammed's caricature: police
February 13, 2008 - 03:54 PM
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Feb 13, 2008
COPENHAGEN, Denmark - Danish newspapers reprinted cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in a gesture of solidarity Wednesday after police revealed a plot to kill the creator of the caricature that sparked deadly riots in the Muslim world.
Danish Muslims said they would seek to avoid a repeat of the violence two years ago — but with a rightwing Dutch lawmaker planning to air a movie that condemns Islam as fascist, Europe pondered the possibility of a new cycle of turmoil.
"This conflict will remain as long as there are people who believe religion should have a greater role in society," said Magnus Norell, a Middle East expert at the Swedish Defense Research Agency.
More than a dozen papers in Denmark reprinted what was arguably the most controversial of the 12 cartoons that enraged Muslims in early 2006 when they appeared in Western newspapers.
The drawing, by newspaper cartoonist Kurt Westergaard, depicts Islam's prophet wearing a turban shaped like a bomb with a lit fuse.
The papers said they wanted to show their firm commitment to freedom of speech after Tuesday's arrest in western Denmark of three people accused of plotting to kill Westergaard.
"We are doing this to document what is at stake in this case, and to unambiguously back and support the freedom of speech that we as a newspaper will always defend," said the Copenhagen-based Berlingske Tidende.
The debate already had resurfaced recently in the Netherlands with lawmaker Geert Wilders' plans to make an anti-Quran film portraying the religion as fascist and prone to inciting violence against women and homosexuals.
In Denmark, all eyes turned toward the Islamic Faith Community, a network of Muslim groups that many Danes say provoked the riots of 2006 by embarking on a Middle East tour seeking support for their fight against the paper that first published the cartoons, Jyllands-Posten.
In January and February of 2006, angry mobs burned the Danish flag and attacked Danish and other Western embassies in Muslim countries including Syria, Iran and Lebanon. Danish products were boycotted by many Muslim consumers. Protesters were killed in Libya and Afghanistan
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080213/ap_on_re_eu/denmark_prophet_drawings
This post was edited on: 2008-02-13 at 04:00 PM by: stevew
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Re: Three killed in riots over Mohammed's caricature: police
February 13, 2008 - 07:31 PM
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"We are doing this to document what is at stake in this case, and to unambiguously back and support the freedom of speech that we as a newspaper will always defend," said the Copenhagen-based Berlingske Tidende.
Yeah - it's a pretty simple concept. It's called freedom of expression.
Make no mistake: Many unseen eyes are watching the dynamic of this prolonged drama of testing the Dutch mettle. Notes will be taken, options weighed, and plans moved ahead.
So, prepare yourselves infidels for some world-class seething when these cartoons again hit the print media. In spite of the ascription from the Moslem street that tender sensibilities are being hurt, that this is an afront of “extreme” proportions, let’s remember that we’re talking about cartoon caricatures here.
Contrast that with the way that Moslem youths™ around the world will likely react to this and then we'll see who's "extreme."
Dealing with terrorists, thugs, and other criminal groups confers upon them a legitimacy they do not deserve, and provides them with a complimentary license to continue and escalate their depraved activity.
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Re: Three killed in riots over Mohammed's caricature: police
February 13, 2008 - 08:54 PM
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try burning an American flag in Texas and see where your freedom of speech gets you !!
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Re: Three killed in riots over Mohammed's caricature: police
February 13, 2008 - 09:07 PM
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elemental wrote:
Your indefatigable Kafir, aren't you? pitching about the same issue in the exactly same manner for millionth of time?
Your one-sidedness has still to find its equal. Your lack of balanced view is not only striking but borders with fictitious. it's hard to imagine someone of with so much of narrow point of view.
Let me give you some equivalents for your post. Ever heard of extraordinary renditions? Ghost planes? anonymous disappearances? Shock therapies?
Does any of this ring any bell?
There is no Mohamed in American creed or constitution but there is enough of other sensitivity-arising notions and ideas coupled with personal narrow-mindedness of those in power to best all of your realistic and unrealistic expectations as to what humans are capable of when their vile nature is revealed.
But, behold the great difference....CNN doesnt broadcast those deaths.. No glamor and publicity is given to those incidents. dissidents are suppressed and sometimes even imprisoned or assassinated - yes yes. Furthermore, authorities vehemently deny any wrongdoing and are foolish and incompetent enough to finger point the first obvious scapegoat. But they manage to carry the day because the spectators - likes of you for example - are equally flabbergasted and unquestionable and gullible enough to be fed any science fiction turned into televised show of a theater.
Remember that....
The above was largely incoherent but more to the point, your comments bear no relevance to this thread.
Did you intend to post your comments elsewhere?
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Re: Three killed in riots over Mohammed's caricature: police
February 13, 2008 - 09:20 PM
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al-kafir wrote:
The above was largely incoherent but more to the point, your comments bear no relevance to this thread.
Did you intend to post your comments elsewhere?
you put your opinion on the net, he tore it down (rightly or wrongly, i havent read) so dont be facetious with your retorts.
take it as a debate and attack his post (NOT ATTACKING THE PERSON), this way the might create a debate.
Dont take things too personally on the net, noone knows you, they ONLY know the stuff you write !
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Re: Three killed in riots over Mohammed's caricature: police
February 13, 2008 - 09:28 PM
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Arrests over cartoonist kill plot
When Danish cartoonists depict a historical character who Muslims lionize as God's own messenger in goofy cartoons, it's worldwide seething/murderous rampage time. On the other hand, depicting the well-documented, systematic mass murder of 6 million people as a joke (as occurred in Iran for example),—well, that's just fine.
From correspondents in Copenhagen
February 12, 2008 07:45pm
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23203585-23109,00.html
SEVERAL people were arrested in Denmark today in connection with a plot to murder one of the 12 cartoonists whose drawings of the Prophet Mohammad caused worldwide uproar in 2006, Danish media said.
According to Jyllands-Posten, the newspaper that originally published the cartoons in September 2005, the suspects are accused of planning to kill 73-year-old Kurt Westergaard.
He drew the cartoon that caused the most controversy, depicting Mohammad with a bomb in his turban.
Danish news agency Ritzau said police would not give details of the case before the Security and Intelligence Service holds a news conference later in the day to announce the arrests.
The cartoons initially went largely unnoticed, but were later reprinted outside Denmark and eventually provoked outrage among Muslims, most of whom deem any depiction of Mohammad as offensive.
Three Danish embassies were attacked and at least 50 people were killed in rioting in the Middle East and Asia.
Since then, several young Muslims have been convicted in Denmark of planning bomb attacks partly as a protest against the cartoons.
While Muslims worldwide can't seem to collectively mobilize to categorically condemn Hamas, al-Qaeda, or any other jihad organization by name, they have no problem coming together when their religions’ founder is the subject of harmless newspaper cartoons. Then it's time for death threats and indignant complaints from Islamic heads of state.
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Re: Three killed in riots over Mohammed's caricature: police
February 14, 2008 - 05:46 AM
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Why is it that whenever we have a topic it will always end up as Western v. Islamic bashing sessions?
I highly suggest that we stick to points that are relevant towards the current issue, which is implementation of Islamic Family Law (Shariah) in the UK.
If not, I'd like to recommend that we cease even discussing at all (or if you cannot stand any specific person, ignore his or her opinions and engage with whoever that is intellectually challenging without making you want to kick something).
I would like to remind you folks that when it comes to debating politics, theology and culture, the utmost diplomacy needs to be exercised. Even though I am no exemplary example myself, I think that it is best that we stick to whatever topic's at hand, ignore each others' personal jabs, whether intentional or no, and proceed.
Do keep an open mind.
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Re: Three killed in riots over Mohammed's caricature: police
February 14, 2008 - 05:57 AM
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ChibiMelody wrote:
Why is it that whenever we have a topic it will always end up as Western v. Islamic bashing sessions?
I highly suggest that we stick to points that are relevant towards the current issue, which is implementation of Islamic Family Law (Shariah) in the UK.
If not, I'd like to recommend that we cease even discussing at all (or if you cannot stand any specific person, ignore his or her opinions and engage with whoever that is intellectually challenging without making you want to kick something).
I would like to remind you folks that when it comes to debating politics, theology and culture, the utmost diplomacy needs to be exercised. Even though I am no exemplary example myself, I think that it is best that we stick to whatever topic's at hand, ignore each others' personal jabs, whether intentional or no, and proceed.
Do keep an open mind.
I think you will find that this thread deals with riots over Mohammed's caricature, not islamic family law.
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