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January 24, 2008 - 01:42 PM
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What does Christianity mean to you?
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Re: Christianity
January 25, 2008 - 11:28 AM
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Christianity.Not another religion or cause but actually a way of life.Carrying the image of Christ in you. "After all is said and done we conclude;fear God and keep His commandments."
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Re: Christianity
January 30, 2008 - 09:35 AM
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Mark_001 wrote:
Christianity.Not another religion or cause but actually a way of life.Carrying the image of Christ in you. "After all is said and done we conclude;fear God and keep His commandments."
I can't agree with you less. Christianity is a way of life. . It's expected of us to live righteously always in the fear of God. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
Chrisitianity is all about Jesus, .the sacrificial Lamb of God. And, He means the whole world to me!
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Re: Christianity
January 31, 2008 - 08:42 PM
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Hi all,
Is this thread for Christians only, or can I barge in? If it is for Christians only, please ignore my post.
Talking about commandments and Jesus, why is that today's Christians changed most of his teachings as well as of the commandments according to the sayings of a person who hadn't even met Jesus?
I hope I am not crossing the line.
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Re: Christianity
February 6, 2008 - 05:18 AM
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dromarof wrote:
Hi all,
Is this thread for Christians only, or can I barge in? If it is for Christians only, please ignore my post.
Talking about commandments and Jesus, why is that today's Christians changed most of his teachings as well as of the commandments according to the sayings of a person who hadn't even met Jesus (Which of them pls?????)?
I hope I am not crossing the line.
Hi dromarof,
You aren't trespassing i guess but could you be more specific in your question for better understanding?
Peace Out.
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Re: Christianity
February 6, 2008 - 09:00 PM
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Hi Olowotee,
Thanks for your post.
From my reading of the Bible (OT & NT), Jesus didn't bring any new laws, but his mission was to restore the law of Moses, and bring the children of Israel back to the path after they went astray, am I correct so far? Jesus stated in the Bible that "if you want to see the kingdom of heaven, follow the comandments".
Now, let's check what Paul did to the religion of Jesus:
1- Circumcision became no longer a duty (Jesus was circumcised, wasn't he?).
2- Pork became permissible (did Jesus eat Pork?).
3- Salvation became through the belief in Jesus and crucufixion (did Jeseus ever mention about the way of salvation?)
4- Jesus became divine, God, or part of God, or son of God (did Jesus ever say that?)
5- God became a trinity (did Jesus ever mention about God being a trinity?). This one is not achieved by Paul.
The interesting thing is, Paul never met Jesus, never listened to his teachings, and his mission in lthe first part of his life was to hunt down Christians. Has it ever occurred to you that he decided to destroy Jesus religion from inside, instead of hunting down his followers?
I hope again that I am not crossing the line.
P.S It is only fair that you should know that I praise Jesus, I believe Jesus is (note the present tense) a prophet, I believe that his birth was a miracle (without a father), that the virgin Marry was the purest woman on earth, I believe that he is still living in heaven, and that he will return to earth to kill the anti-Christ, and rule it for a while before judgement day. All the forementioned beliefs are basics in my religion.
Peace
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Re: Christianity
February 7, 2008 - 02:34 PM
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Hey!!! Its nice to see that there are people out there interested in the topic Christianity like I am...I agree with you guys that christianity is not just a religion but is a way of life.There are many people today who claim to be christians but their way of life is totally contrary...dromarof,you are totally welcomed in this forum,its not only for christians.we welcome ALL,just like jesus does... In addition there may be things that Jesus didn't say himself and even though someone isn't from the time jesus was on earth,as long as you have the holy spirit in you Jesus can speak through you.However we can't just take everything that people say and run with it.That's why everyone needs to develop their own personal relationship with God so that he can direct you in the way he wants you to go and to live the life he wants you to live.Anyway I have to go for now but I can't wait for your opinion...bye.
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February 7, 2008 - 02:44 PM
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Interesting, my understanding that Prophets sent by God like Jesus are the ones who are authorized to speak on behalf of God. I think you might need what Jesus said in the Bible regarding this issue. Jesus said that many will come after his departure he will speak in his name but they are not righteous men. He even mentioned that there will be men who will cure possessed persons in his name, but they are not followers of Jesus. Don't you think that the only measure to tell them apart, is by them following Jesus teachings? Under what authority would Paul come and change what Jesus said? The authority of a dream? Wouldn't Christians better be called Paulians? There are commandments in the OT, and then Jesus came and ascerted the fact that the commandments are the only way to the kingdom of heaven. God is one in the OT, never a prophet mentioned trinity, even Jesus himself, never talked of God being a trinity, then suddenly God becomes a trinity. Do you think that God was keeping his nature from his prophets, or hiding that he had a son. As for the bible, it is a different story.
Peace.
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Re: Christianity
February 7, 2008 - 08:01 PM
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dromarof wrote:
Jesus said that many will come after his departure he will speak in his name but they are not righteous men. He even mentioned that there will be men who will cure possessed persons in his name, but they are not followers of Jesus.
Hmmmm, in addition to Paul, is Mohammed also a false prophet?
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February 7, 2008 - 10:10 PM
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Although though this is not the topic of the thread, and that as you mentioned before an aetheist so you won't have a clue what we are talking about here, and that you don't believe in Jesus nor Mohamed, nor God, but Jesus Mohamed's teachings are in accordance with Jesus, Mohamed praised Jesus, Mohamed admitted of Jesus as a prophet, and admitted of his miraculous birth. There is a whole Chapter in Quraan entitled Mary, which talks about her story and her chasity and purity, there is no chapter entitled by any of Mohamed's wives, or daughters. Jesus said the one who glorifies me is a true prophet. I know Prieten that you are waiting for any oppurtunity to start picking on Islam, which amazes me actually, being an aetheist, shouldn't you be against all religions in general? Anyway, as I said this is not the subject of the thread, if you like make another one with the subject, and I am you will find many Muslims as well as aetheists, to join the discussion.
Peace.
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February 8, 2008 - 11:14 AM
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To the guy who asked if Mahommed was a false prophet...everyone has their opinion and I have nothing against anyone who believes otherwise but I would say that he is a false prophet,to be more specific I would say a false God.I know some people may disagree but everyone is entitled to an opinion.Jesus specifically said that we are to worship no other gods but him.He also stated that you are either for him or against him.There is no in between....Jesus said many will cast out demands in his name,heal the sick etc but still will not enter his Kingdom because thats not enough.Thats not the requirement to enter into heaven.You MUST confess with your mouth and believe in your heart and allow Christ to be the Lord of your life.Some people may not believe there is a heaven and hell but isn't it better to live a lifestyle that would get you into heaven rather than to not and die and find out that there is???...food 4 thought.
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February 8, 2008 - 11:25 AM
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Daughter of Zion,
I asked some questions that were answered, and here are some more:
1- Where is it in the Bible that Jesus said that people should worship him?
2- Is Jesus the final prophet? Did Jesus mentioned that there are no prophets coming after him?
3- Since Jesus is the Mesayah mentioned in the OT, is it mentioned in the OT that the Mesayah is the final prophet?
4- Is it mentioned in the OT that the Mesayah is God?
5- Where did you come with the idea that Mohammed is worshipped???
Peace.
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February 8, 2008 - 11:34 AM
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You are fully right when you stated ".......that many will come in my name saying that they are the Christ and they will decieve many..."
according to daughter of Zion don't be easily destracted by the devil who come as "a wolf in sheep clothing" or "an angel of darkess, robed as an angel of light"
Today many ppl costomise the word of God. With the issue of heal and deliverence of demons there is NO PLACE IN THE BIBLE WHERE GOD PROMISES TO HEAL IN THIS LIFE (amazing isnt it) but if one do get healed or delivered it is considered to be a miracle.
the bible also talks emphatically of Christ and God being 3 in 1. Jn.Chp 17. the high priestly prayer.
"My ways are not your ways:nor are my thoughts your thoughts..."
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Re: Christianity
February 9, 2008 - 12:40 PM
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Mark,
Thank you for your post.
I asked 10 questions to which I had no answer until now.
Actually, I am pretty much interested in the subject, and I read John 17 following your reference from the New International Version, and I found no mentioning of any thing that you can refer to as Trinity. Which Bible are you reading from? Can you please refer the number of the verse? John 17:--?
And by the way, please check Matthew 7:22-23
22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
I guess even evil doers can perform miracles in Jesus name, drive out demons in Jesus name, and even prophesy in Jesus name.
Peace.
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February 9, 2008 - 10:11 PM
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Africhika,
Thank you for your post.
Any prophet sent by God will be the way for his people through whom they should find the way, this statement doesn't say in any way that Jesus said "worship me". On the other hand, he is clearly stating that there are 2: God, and Jesus who was sent by God. Are you talking montheist here?
You said "anyone who God has blessed with the gift of prophesy is a prophet", I do agree with you, but still others who have the gift of prophecising, and they are not true prophets (please refer to the verse mentioned in my previous post). As for John 1:1, first of all, this verse was not said by Jesus, second on your first reply you mentioned that "no man can know God without going through him (jesus)". This is plain English, they are 2 not different entities, not one, not 3. Back to John 1:1, the "original" Greek manuscripts (Did the disciple John speak Greek?), "The Word" is only described as being "ton theos"(divine/a god) and not as being "ho theos" (The Divine/The God). A more faithful and correct translation of this verse would thus read: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was divine" (If you read the New World Translation of the Bible you will find exactly this wording). Well, what is the difference between saying "the word was God," and between saying "the word was a god (divine)"? Are they not the same? Far from it! Let us read the bible: "I have said, Ye (the Jews) are gods; and all of you are children of the most High" Psalms 82:6. There more and more examples, but I am trying to be short here. The problem that the bible is translated through minds that speak English, but it was not written in English. In the Hebrew and Aramic languages, it was the custom to call any righteous man God, or son of God. If this point is not clear I can explain furtherly.
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