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Re: Light pollution
June 12, 2003 - 09:41 AM

ok roshan,

this time, i would have to agree that the light should indeed be left on at night.i mean if we dont have the lights on, then like the police officers wont have much light to catch the burglers. i mean come on, without the lights, um oh ya u could see, but it woundnt be as bright to catch any crimes. i dont know wat other ppls think, all i know is we SHOULD leave the lights on

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not even!
June 12, 2003 - 09:50 AM

Well Fiona the police force don't need that light. The have camera's in apartments already that can see through the dark and rings the alarm if any movement is found. This will call the police. And beleive me the police arrive very fast and the alarm system also turns on the lights so that the police could catch them. But it is only turning it on for about two hours so that the police could catch the people and the burglars would be trapped. And I think that is better than having the lights on 24/7 and wasting millions of dollars of the towns money from the city council.

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Re: Light pollution
June 12, 2003 - 10:02 AM

Roshan who's side are u on???
Go Fiona. I agree with you. The world crime in incressing, and the police need all the help they can get to at least try an stop it. Light is one of the things they need. Some people might say that the police officers should go around and do their jobs by themselves, an not just using up the light. Well what do you expect them to do walk around with flash lights? Thats just crazy talk, they have other stuff to do u know. They have to do their job. Not as many people are becoming police officers to do all of this anyways. The lights in the buildings light up the streets and it also makes people feel that someone is actually inside.
What about the pilots? They need the light too. To see the buildings so they dont crash right into it. Same goes with birds.
THE LIGHTS SHOULD STAY ON......SO WHAT IF THEIRS MONEY INVOLVED......ITS FOR THE SAFETY AN WELL BEING OF THE PEOPLE.

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Read first then talk sukhpreet!
June 13, 2003 - 04:24 AM

Sukhpreet i don't think that you read my post before you said what you just said because what YOU just said sounded stupid. And about the piolets, they still have the red beacon that is on top of those big buildings. Why do you think that they are there in the first place. Guess what, they ain't there because they look cool, they are there because they help the piolets navigate!

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just for the record!
June 13, 2003 - 04:26 AM

Oh and sukhpreet, just for the record, I'm on the side where your not. K?

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Re: Light pollution
June 16, 2003 - 06:27 AM

First of all Roshan, why don't you actually leave people with their feelings, and opinions about what they think about the topic. I mean its right to go against, but you don't have to try to act so smart an go dissing them.
Okay so what if i was wrong about the birds. Its not like i really care. Human safety is way more important then some birds. Many people feel more secure an safe with these lights on. The criminals are also more alarmed. This as I said before help the police a lot, as the crime is incressing. Okay okay, lets look at this a different way. Imagine that we took out the lights, from the cities at night. It world many be dark, except for the so called street lights, but then they won't have as much of a effect.
If you actually think about it, people like us in Toronto are so use to having those lights on that we might find life dificult with out it.

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WOW!
June 16, 2003 - 06:50 AM

OK first of all. I'm not forcing you to change your decision. I never said that you shouldn't go against. It's just that your wrong and i'm arguing back against what you argued against. And how is this dissing? I'm not stupid enough to do what is trully a "diss" on a worldwide internet web page so that anyone can read. I'm just asking you just cause some of the citizens feel safER, are they really? I mean whats the point of them feeling safer? Who cares. Its how safe they really are that matters!Wouldn't they be just as safe with the idea of having alarms that turn on the lights and that have camera's and call the police? Wouldn't it be easier and much more energy-efficient? I mean can you really not understand that humen are also in danger after what the ANGEL ON THE BROOM STICK said? How heartless can you be if you don't care about what happens to animals such as birds? Wern't you one of the people who were trying to talk about selfishness? Well what are you doing right now? Is this not also a form of selfishness? You are the best example of hypocritism. I don't mean this to be an insult or a "diss" as you would like to call it but im dead serious. How more selfish can you get?

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Re: Light pollution
June 16, 2003 - 07:07 AM

OK OK OK...So I am being the selfish one right now. An i don't need to argue with that because I am. The world is selfish. It always has been an it always will be. Just too bad i realised it now. Everyone has to deal with the fact. Its more of everyone on their own. Its true that people WILL FEEL more sucure with the lights, and they WILL BE more secure with the camera.Have you ever considered that with the camera the police might be able to catch the villan after they commited the crime. I mean whats done is done catching the villan might stop them from making the mistake in the future, but it won't do any good in fixing what they already did. It could a be rape or murder, you can't fix anything by catching the villan. At least with the lights more people are able to see whats going on around them and might come in more helpful then the cameras, that might be like a few hours later.

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it all the same
June 16, 2003 - 07:12 AM

Well sukhpreet! You should also consider that even with the light the police are not gonna catch the criminal before the crime is done. This is because a criminal is not a criminal before he has commited the crime. And also how are the police gonna know if the criminal is going to commit the crime. I mean they are not magic or anything!

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Re: Light pollution
June 16, 2003 - 07:22 AM

OH MY GOD!!!! What I am saying is that the police have a better CHANCE in catching the criminal before they commit the crime with the lights. I mean if we get security gaurds to inspect the building, it would be easier for them.

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Re: Light pollution
June 16, 2003 - 11:24 AM

check out REaders' Digest 6/2003 they have an article on light pollution in which they talked about effect of light pollution on environment. ONe exmaple given were the turtles known as blind animal mistake the artificial lights with the star lights and moved to the road instead of the sea and many crashed by cars.They also talk about staying up late and sleep with lights on could increase ur chance of getting cancer.

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Re: Light pollution
June 17, 2003 - 03:22 AM

Um.. well... this forum has gone completely off course... enough attacking eachother.. honestly.

Light pollution is a big problem for a lot of reasons but walking around in Toronto at night with no lights would not make me feel safe at all. Street lights are important, but large towers don't need lights on 24/7.. it's just stupid and wasteful.

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Re: Light pollution
June 17, 2003 - 04:03 AM

Curbing light polution doesn't have to mean making cities dark and dangerous. Streetlights can be designed so that a larger percentage of the light the get off is aimed downwards, illuminating sidewalks, rather than out into the sky, bothering amateur astronomers.

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