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Suicide Bombings....Crimes Against Humanity?
January 9, 2008 - 11:55 AM
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A ..."Rights Group Wants Suicide Bombing Classified as Crime Against Humanity"
Full story - findingDulcinea.com - click here
What is your view???
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Re: Suicide Bombings....Crimes Against Humanity?
January 9, 2008 - 01:05 PM
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I guess people still are brain washed to committ such evil and very sad that youths are used and are victims of this ill attitudes
Again people should start refining their thinking especial youths ofcourse one thing achieveable now is peace..
When will humanity attain to this level of love and peace??
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Re: Suicide Bombings....Crimes Against Humanity?
January 10, 2008 - 01:54 PM
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In a word - yes they are. A depraved and pathetic act of murder.
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Re: Suicide Bombings....Crimes Against Humanity?
January 12, 2008 - 05:05 AM
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I have a teacher who once worked in a place where suicide bombings were very rampant and he shared that these people sometimes have no choice but to "do it" after being promised a glorious afterlife because their current situations are quite hopeless.
This again boils down to our problem with poverty which has also given birth to abuse and violence.
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Re: Suicide Bombings....Crimes Against Humanity?
January 13, 2008 - 06:09 PM
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suicide bombers are against humanity in some cases..but imagine desperated young men without hope under the pressure of the occupation..how can they react?.....they have to do sth like blowing up themselves to rivive the hope..to renew the spirit to fight and resist
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Re: Suicide Bombings....Crimes Against Humanity?
January 14, 2008 - 09:21 PM
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muhamad wrote:
suicide bombers are against humanity in some cases..but imagine desperated young men without hope under the pressure of the occupation..how can they react?.....they have to do sth like blowing up themselves to rivive the hope..to renew the spirit to fight and resist
...and killing innocent civilians like the 54 children in Afghanistan?????
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Re: Suicide Bombings....Crimes Against Humanity?
January 15, 2008 - 06:11 AM
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prieten47 wrote:
muhamad wrote:
suicide bombers are against humanity in some cases..but imagine desperated young men without hope under the pressure of the occupation..how can they react?.....they have to do sth like blowing up themselves to rivive the hope..to renew the spirit to fight and resist
...and killing innocent civilians like the 54 children in Afghanistan?????
i think what muhammad is trying to say that we should diffrintiate between killing innocent ppl like what is happinng now in afghanistan and iraq and some ppl who do in as a revenge against occupation and against armed millitants not civilians
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Luke Lieberman
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Re: Suicide Bombings....Crimes Against Humanity?
January 15, 2008 - 01:21 PM
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I utterly reject this rationalization of a depraved crime - it is this kind of nonsense - this lack of moral clarity - this inability to simply condemn the condemnable - that provides an environment where suicide bombers are glorified.
we should all have the strength to stand up - and tell those who would use suicide terrorism that they are indeed terrorists, and criminals.
when exactly has suicide bombing been used as a real effective war tactic against soldiers?
the victims - 9 times out of 10 - are civilians, or people like Bhutto.
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Re: Suicide Bombings....Crimes Against Humanity?
February 4, 2008 - 08:05 AM
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luke wrote:
I utterly reject this rationalization of a depraved crime - it is this kind of nonsense - this lack of moral clarity - this inability to simply condemn the condemnable - that provides an environment where suicide bombers are glorified.
we should all have the strength to stand up - and tell those who would use suicide terrorism that they are indeed terrorists, and criminals.
when exactly has suicide bombing been used as a real effective war tactic against soldiers?
the victims - 9 times out of 10 - are civilians, or people like Bhutto.
well, differntiating between civilians and militatnts is the core issue. if a person targets a pure military target then i dont think there is any problem in it. war means destruction and killings, its always that a person goes to war with intention to kill and eliminate his enemies even if it costs his life.
so , i am amazed with luke's argument. bhutto is never a military target, neither is a crowd listening to thier leader. so no comparison of a military target with bhutoo incident.
however, it should not be taken as a rule, a person goes to war with intention of returning and going back again tomorow, but if situation is very sensitive, then one can go to the maximum, and its suicide attack.
unforutnately, suicide attacks are used against mosques, civilians, in bazars and markets, using youngmen who are ignorant of the original goals of those training them, creating bad impression about islam as a reglion,(although they wrongly presume that they have served it) in such a situation we have to striclty stand against such acts. (when generally/usually target is wrongly selected).
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Re: Suicide Bombings....Crimes Against Humanity?
February 4, 2008 - 05:49 PM
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luke wrote:
I utterly reject this rationalization of a depraved crime - it is this kind of nonsense - this lack of moral clarity - this inability to simply condemn the condemnable - that provides an environment where suicide bombers are glorified.
we should all have the strength to stand up - and tell those who would use suicide terrorism that they are indeed terrorists, and criminals.
when exactly has suicide bombing been used as a real effective war tactic against soldiers?
the victims - 9 times out of 10 - are civilians, or people like Bhutto.
this is why people hate western "holier than thou" attitude.
Western bombs are killling more civilians than suicide bombers. Saying sorry doesnt cut it
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Re: Suicide Bombings....Crimes Against Humanity?
March 10, 2008 - 11:48 AM
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I think one of the most importat issues we should see is CULTURE, and obviously traditions and religion. This people that decide to commit suicide is beause they realy have faith that they will go to "heaven" after they die....and they are `promissed to have a better life "on the other side".
I know this is not an excuse, but they have been living with this lie all their life, and probably is not only their choice, it is possible that a lot of pressure is there!
I think that it surely is a crime against humanity, and not only for the civilians but also the person that is commiting it...
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Re: Suicide Bombings....Crimes Against Humanity?
March 20, 2008 - 08:45 PM
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I think we need to differentiate between a couple of things:
1- Who is committing the act.
2- Against whom.
3- For what reason.
First, no sane person would agree to the killing of innocent people, women, and children.
But, every time this issue is raised, and people start attacking religious beliefs with a special bias against Islam and Muslims, may be due to the current situation all over the world.
I just would like to draw your attention to something, it doesn't matter what religion the bomber is, it doesn't matter what his race is, it doesn't matter what is his nationality.
The whole point of this so called "suicide bombing" is self sacrifice for to assure mission accomplishing, right?
You need to analyze it differently to understand how these people think. 1- There are Christian "suicide bombers" in Palestine.
2- Japanese Kamikaz had no religion.
3- Every American soldier going to Iraq is thinking that there is a good chance that he would get killed, so did the soldiers going to Vietnam, or WWII, etc.
As you can see, self sacrifice doesn't necessarily need to have a religios belief. I am not saying that all the above mentioned's goals are morally equal, what I am saying is, if any of the above believes that he is in war against his targets, then religion got nothing to do with it. Of course it helps to have faith you are going to a better place, but it is not the main motive, and it is not confined to one religion.
By the way, is the issue killing civilians through suicide bombing, or killing civilians in general? Many military forces kill civilians but preserve their own lives, what would you consider those?
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Re: Suicide Bombings....Crimes Against Humanity?
March 24, 2008 - 07:22 PM
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The first two are important questions -
the third is not. It doesn't matter what rationale the bomber has -
what ever the "reasoning" what matters is the effect - ie the killing of innocent people.
It is difficult to compare a Japanese pilot flying his plane into a battle ship in the South Pacific - that was litterally in the midst of combat -
with someone walking into a cafe or civilian bus - Its just not the same thing.
The Japanese did have religion - the Emperor was "God on earth". They worshiped him -
I don't think it is a matter of 'religion' per say - but it is a matter of ideology -
There is no question that groups like Hamas, and Al Qaeda - who glorify "Martyrdom" - have an ideology -
This Ideology claims Islam as its basis - They make this claim - it does not mean that are right to do so.
I do not think these groups understand any religion which means "Peace"
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Re: Suicide Bombings....Crimes Against Humanity?
March 24, 2008 - 08:19 PM
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I wasn't justifying Luke, I was analyzing. The main issue is, what is a person willing to die for? What it is the goal that is precious enough for a person to sacrifice his life in order to achieve? For suicide bombers, they are in combat too, according to their own ideaology. To put it differently, would you consider a bomber among millitants a suicidal or a hero??
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Re: Suicide Bombings....Crimes Against Humanity?
March 24, 2008 - 11:21 PM
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"To put it differently, would you consider a bomber among millitants a suicidal or a hero??"
I think I understand your question - but it demonstrates the fundamental distinction between combatants and civilians - militants are combatants -
also - most democracies have a different ethos - "never leave a man behind" - basically one which values each soldiers life - death is not celebrated.
Hizbullah and Hamas celebrate death - it is an aspiration - kids want to grow up in order to die and kill others - it is entirely different.
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