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James Sorrell
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1st Class on the TITANIC---
May 30, 2003 - 10:53 AM
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Only when humans realize that every human is created equal (regardless of condition or social standing or location) will prejudice bite the dust! Equality of soul is basic for humanity to even work at all...obviously it isn't at present. Integration is something The United Nations (New York) never learned! As long as people look down on others, they will never see what is above them! (...never see who the REAL enemies of mankind are & unite against them, so we can ALL have a real life for a change!) SUICIDE VACCINE: (suicide & violence prevention) "defense" & "offense", from 'The Keeper of the Flame', against mankinds' worst enemies.
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equality
June 4, 2003 - 06:31 AM
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the problem I've noticed with equality is instead seeing people as equals others try see them as the same as them. Now, you might not quite understand what i ment by that, but I'm going to try and explain. Everyone is different, we all know that, everyone goes throught different things in their lives therefore having different experiences. With society today searching for equality others tend to ignore those differences instead of embracing them, calling it equality. I don't think that's equal. But that's just me. I can only really speak for what I've noticed in North America, but it always seems like everyone trying to be the same because they think it will make them equal.
But anyway, I'm really starting to ramble and I'm not really making sense so I'm going to stop. But please, tell me what you think of what I've said, tell me why you do or don't like, tell me what you think I'm trying to say, I'd like to hear it all.
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Luke Lieberman
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Re: 1st Class on the TITANIC---
June 4, 2003 - 07:49 AM
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Have you guys ever read the Decloration of Independance?
Anyway - what I think Dark angel is saying - and what I think is evident - is that even though we are not equal - we all deserve human dignity -
Kobe is better at basketball than I am. Einstein was smarter than I am, Gates knows more about computers, Bruce Lee could kick my ass.
We are not all really equal - some are smarter, some kinder, some more athleatic. Everyone has talents which distinguish them from the untalented.
I can direct films better then most in this world - they are not my equals on a film set.
But Human dignity is universal - and talent (except for maybe Basketball) has nothing to do with color or creed.
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Decloration of Independance
June 5, 2003 - 03:54 AM
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no, i haven't read the Decloration of Independance. Why do you ask? Is there something important in there that I should know and don't obviously already know?
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Luke Lieberman
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Re: 1st Class on the TITANIC---
June 5, 2003 - 04:10 AM
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"We hold these truths to be self evident - that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain unalianable rights" - D.O.I.
just seemed to pretain to this discussion -
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John Rawls
June 19, 2003 - 05:12 AM
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John Rawl's wrote "A Theory of Justice" in the year I was born... It seems like ever since then, students have been required to read it in university political theory courses. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/1643/rawls.html is a pretty good overview of how he tackles the issue of how to achieve an equitable society.
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The other side
June 19, 2003 - 05:14 AM
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http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/rawls.html is a great rebuttal of the implications of Rawl's theory in practice.
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the point is ...
June 19, 2003 - 05:54 AM
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not whether we look, behave, believe, etc. equally
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whether we are created/born equally - with equal human dignity.
this is a philosophic question and it depends on your personal mindset - which is determined by physics and influenced by family, friends and society.
so if we agree on the equal creation of humans we are using the same patterns of philosophy - human values, or to be more precise, humanistic values. go and ask hindus or any other kind of tribes about this issue ... 
we have to arrange a living together on this planet, so i think we should agree on something that is just allowing us to do so. equal dignity is a way, but not the single one.
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laurent
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A Puzzle
July 16, 2003 - 08:18 AM
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Human Relations are like a puzzle, we are all different pieces but we complete one another and each one of us is dispensable to his/her fellows. The issue is that we cope up with one another's differences.
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equal
May 28, 2004 - 02:19 AM
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aLLL PEOPLE ARE EQUAL NO MATER WHO THEY ARE WHAT THEIR RELIGION, CULTURE OR SKIN COLOR.
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Re: 1st Class on the TITANIC---
June 14, 2004 - 02:26 AM
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I call heaven and earth to witness: whether Jew or Gentile, whether man or woman, whether servant or freeman, they are all equal in this: that the Holy Spirit rests upon them in accordance with their deeds!
1. Judaism. Midrash, Seder Eliyyahu Rabbah 10
I look upon all creatures equally; none are less dear to me and none more dear.
2. Hinduism. Bhagavad Gita 9.29
There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, but glory and honor and peace for every one who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. For God shows no partiality.
3. Christianity. Bible, Romans 2.9-11
By deeds, not by birth, is one high,and by deeds is one low not by birth
4. Buddhism , Dhammapadha
Whose deeds lower him, his pedigree cannot elevate.
5. Islam (Shiite). Nahjul Balagha, Saying 21
So what of all these titles, names, and races? They are mere worldly conventions.
6. Buddhism. Sutta Nipata 648
What is the true color of love? White? Black? True love has no color. Anyone who is color-conscious cannot have true love at all. You have got to be color-blind.
7. Unification Church. Sun Myung Moon, 1-1-87
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@ paktheen80
June 16, 2004 - 01:06 AM
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i very much agree with what you said, except just a little remark:
"humans try to show supermacy"
i wouldn't make this a general statement. yes, there are some who do but there are a lot who don't.
i believe we all have similar roots, i'd rather see other people as brothers and sisters - as long as they treat each other in a brotherlike way.
conflicts can have many roots, one surely is a person's big ego and the belief in "inerrancy".
i know, sometimes i'm right, sometimes i'm wrong. that's also what makes me a human.
salam, shalom, friede, paix, pace, paz, solh, shanti, heiwa, hoa binh, etc. - yes, peace!
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Re: 1st Class on the TITANIC---
June 16, 2004 - 10:50 AM
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we are all equal before the eyes of god
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Re: 1st Class on the TITANIC---
June 16, 2004 - 12:35 PM
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as far as equality is concerned.....if we look it physiologicaly and the basic anatomy....we see we all are egual...we all have the same body physiology and anatomy...
and we have the same dignity as human being by birth...except few idealogies where there are classes and casts..but generally speaking all almost all the people think that a human is a human...where ever he is.....of what color and of what race.....
so if all the people think like that then y are these conflicts...conflicts are always caused when some one thinks of superiority and wants to grab alot of rights...
if we see practically there is no equality in this world....humans try to show supermacy...through anything...whether it was the era of colonalization where our african brothers were made slaves and were traded like animals....or is this age of high tech in every feild...resources are grabbed by one way or the other...these people do this only because they think superior..they want to show us that they are superior...althought they are not.....
only then can these conflicts be solved when they realize that we are equal..every one has equal right...other wise the world would be suffering
wa salam
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Re: 1st Class on the TITANIC---
June 28, 2004 - 04:24 AM
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I'm in complete agreement that we are all created equal. I also believe that we all have different capacities and the talents we possess or are latent within us will vary person to person. But, yes, before the eyes of God, we are all equal.
Now, what I think we need to do is practice the concept of 'unity in diversity'. It is very important to differentiate this unity from uniformity. I think we need to embrace our differences while really appreciating our similarities at the same time...and not blindly imitating others.
"The peace and security of the world can not be established unless, and until, its unity is firmly established." - Baha'u'llah
Unity is such an amazing concept...it implies so much and yet seems so simple. I think to establish unity, we can't even have these questions of whether we are equal or not...it needs to be considered a fundamental truth that indeed we all have been created equal and recognize the nobility of each person. I think it was Udara who gave quotes from many of the Major religions...and that shows how universal this concept is...A truth is a truth no matter when it's revealed.
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