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Iran hosts militants for 'alternative' Mideast meeting
November 27, 2007 - 02:23 PM
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TEHRAN (AFP) - Iran said on Tuesday that it had invited Palestinian militant factions to a meeting in Tehran aimed at countering a US-hosted Middle East peace conference seeking to kickstart the peace process.
"These groups are planning to come to Tehran within the next week or two and they are all the Palestinian groups that are struggling for the freedom of their land," government spokesman Gholam Hossein Elham told reporters.
Iran is one of the most vocal backers of Palestinian militant groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad and pledged millions of dollars in 2006 to the then Hamas government crippled by a Western aid cut.
The Islamic republic does not recognise Israel and its President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has provoked outrage by calling for the Jewish state to be wiped off the map.
Elham indicated the Tehran meeting would be a riposte to the conference bringing together Israeli and Palestinian leaders which started in Annapolis outside Washington on Tuesday.
"It means that the Annapolis conference is not representing the Palestinians and not talking on their behalf, but on the contrary is moving against their rights," he said.
More than a dozen Arab countries, including Saudi Arabia and Iran's top regional ally Syria, have sent representatives, leaving Tehran conspicuously isolated.
On Monday Ahmadinejad told Saudi King Abdullah in a telephone call that he "wished" the kingdom was not taking part in the peace conference.
Tehran's arch foe Washington, which is hosting the meeting, dismissed the Iranian criticism as "not surprising," and charged that Tehran backs the extremists sidelined by the talks.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071127/wl_mideast_afp/mideastdiplomacyiran
The president of Iran will open the conference with the chant "Death to Israel" no doubt.
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Luke Lieberman
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Re: Iran hosts militants for 'alternative' Mideast peace conference
November 27, 2007 - 05:30 PM
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I don't think it can properly be termed an alternative "peace" conference because peace will not be on the agenda.
It would be more appropriate to call this a war conference as an alternative to the peace conference.
Iran clearly wants to foster instability because this stregnthens its regional imperialist ambitions.
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Re: Iran hosts militants for 'alternative' Mideast peace conference
November 27, 2007 - 06:22 PM
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You're right, it has nothing to do with peace, my bad.
I wonder what Iran's real intentions are with this meeting...?
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Re: Iran hosts militants for 'alternative' Mideast meeting
November 27, 2007 - 09:51 PM
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Iran’s intentions probably amount to a face saving effort. Iran was excluded from the talks at Annapolis for carefully considered reasons. There are unspoken alliances at work here. The Arabs have good reason to be suspicious of a nuclear armed Iran – as does Israel – as does the globe. Both the Arabs and Israel now have a shared enemy, the antagonistic “president” of Iran and the Mullahs. Remember that Armageddonjihad, while publicly threatening the “Great Satan”, the “Little Satan”, and even Germany and France), has also threatened the Arab nations participating in the Annapolis talks. Arab nations have not been standing by in faint paralysis as Iran nonchalantly whips up a batch of seven tons of uranium hexafluoride gas for nuclear jihad... Oh sorry, I meant peaceful civilian energy needs.
Has anyone missed the dynamic of Syria attending the Annapolis conference? This coming just a couple of months after Israel destroyed Syria’s clandestine nuclear facility. There’s a statement being made there. Syria is an Arab regime and is apparently not thrilled with the idea of a nuclear holocaust being perpetrated by Iran (a Shia nation), to create the endtimes and bring forth the Mahdi. All of the Arab nations in the area know the dangers of Iran with the Islamobomb.
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Re: Iran hosts militants for 'alternative' Mideast meeting
November 28, 2007 - 04:05 PM
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Hey guys. It looks like president Bush knows better what is the best for the peace-building process, doesn't he?
We should give him the Nobel Peace Prize. And money will go to the right way! No doubts
Many thanks to all Americans who support their brilliant president! You also are peace-makers. Go ahead! The world will be a better place to live with you awsome policy!
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Luke Lieberman
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Re: Iran hosts militants for 'alternative' Mideast meeting
November 28, 2007 - 07:35 PM
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If you asking if Bush knows better then Ahmadinejad on this issue - clearly yes, he does.
peace confrences are more conducive to peace then war conferences.
Facilitating peace negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians is more helpful then rejecting any such negotiations.
I have a more general question for you - do you have any political opinions and perspectives beyond simply "America = bad"
Because basically that is all I have seen from you - very one dimensional and not that interesting.
You tried to start a thread on what America has contributed and when I gave you a long list you seemed unhappy - you kept saying "I mean after WW2" then "I mean in the last 20 years."
basically trying to reframe the question to get you desired answer - "America = bad"
its kind of sad - you have preconceptions and try to look for evidence to support them -
instead of doing what wise people do - going where the evidence leads you. And allowing evidence to alter your preconceptions - you might want to try that some time.
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Re: Iran hosts militants for 'alternative' Mideast meeting
November 29, 2007 - 04:54 AM
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2 devastating wars and who knows what he will do before he leaves office!. Yes indeed..he is such a "peace maker" that can be only accomplished after destroying whole countries and sending their people back ton the stone age!.
Despite his negatives, Ahmadinjad did not start "war on terror" that killed thousands of innocent people. Yes he questioned the holocaust..so what?. That is not killing lives.
And you think Bush is better than Ahmadinjad?.Get real, people!
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Re: Iran hosts militants for 'alternative' Mideast meeting
November 29, 2007 - 02:50 PM
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Actually, if Muslim fanatics never attacked NYC on 9/11, there would not be 2 wars going on now.
The majority of innocents killed in Iraq and Afganistan are the victims of Islam and their "peaceful" followers.
The ones that blow themselves up on a daily basis, you know, the ones you call 'freedom fighters'.
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Re: Iran hosts militants for 'alternative' Mideast meeting
November 30, 2007 - 04:05 PM
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have a more general question for you - do you have any political opinions and perspectives beyond simply "America = bad"
Luke, I did not say that words. Never.
I just see that the US gov. has a policy based on violence, power and pressure. That is all.
People (here at least) are smart enough to make conclusions based on facts - everybody may get them from the news spreaded by mass-media, books, people ( witnesses of these events.) etc.
I wonder, if you are able to find any positiveness in other cultures and lifestyles? Or you are always right? You only?
I can also make a conclusion reading some of your interminable postings Iran=devil which is not true.
And if you do not see this you are blind or brainwhashed, or just want to brainwash others.
P.S. Just want to clear up - I am not a supporter of Iranian president at all. I just do not want to be objective and unbiased.
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Re: Iran hosts militants for 'alternative' Mideast meeting
November 30, 2007 - 04:10 PM
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I have a question -
Have you ever thought about responsibility of what you post here?
Does it help for mutual understanding? Does it help for Peace-building?
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Luke Lieberman
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Re: Iran hosts militants for 'alternative' Mideast meeting
December 1, 2007 - 02:48 PM
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"Luke, I did not say that words. Never"
Not so explicitly - but it is the subtext of everything you write - I have never seen you critisize any other country - I haven't even seen you critisize your own country when it does the exact same things.
Please explain to me what your goal was in asking what America has added to the world - then expressing dissappointment when I gave you examples - because the implications seem pretty obvious.
"I wonder, if you are able to find any positiveness in other cultures and lifestyles?"
HA - in April I am going to London, Amsterdam, Florence, Athens, Istambul and Tel Aviv - in that order. Then in Sept I should be in Praugue and Moscow.
I simply take issue with your spitting on my country at ever opportunity.
"I can also make a conclusion reading some of your interminable postings Iran"
I clearly have issues with the government - I have many Iranian friends - in fact more Pursians live in LA then anywhere else besies Iran.
"if you do not see this you are blind or brainwhashed, or just want to brainwash others.
P.S. Just want to clear up - I am not a supporter of Iranian president at all. I just do not want to be objective and unbiased."
Hmm - well I am able to critisize my own government as well as others - which I have not seen from you.
As for being objective - in this thread we are discussing how Ahmadinejad is organizaing a confrence of militants - instead of even discussing this issue, you simply bash Bush for... what... hosting a peace conference?
this seems balanced and objective to you?
Clearly it is rather dramatically biased -
"Have you ever thought about responsibility of what you post here?
Does it help for mutual understanding? Does it help for Peace-building?"
Really more concerned with the truth of what I post -
but I am confused - how does mindlessly bashing the US promote understanding a peace building?
I am anxious to learn from a master - lets listen to your wise RESPONSIBLE words of understanding -
"Many thanks to all Americans who support their brilliant president! You also are peace-makers. Go ahead! The world will be a better place to live with you awsome policy!"
What responsible statement, really building bridges and fostering understanding. Nothing like sarcasm and derision to bring people together.
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Re: Iran hosts militants for 'alternative' Mideast meeting
December 9, 2007 - 09:15 AM
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You guys have seen a theater play in your life?
Did you know that politics is a game, a play, a theatrical show or should I remind you of it?
You think politics is all cool and stiff, yes? blue shirts, black ties and discourse on critique of pure reason of Kant? You think that?
Well, let me be the one to tell you that you are living in the dream world of Alice from Wonderland and Bush is the rabbit!
Politics is a game, a show.
Bush plays a role of a powerful person, albeit somewhat silly. Ahmandinejad vowed for a controversial, conspicuous and therefore more unorthodox role. Of course, each of them has his script and they perform. Bush, however, due to lack of good genes or decent cultivation, forgets his role and behaves like an enraged boar, causing much trouble and sadness around him.
Ahmandinejad imagines himself a true hereditary of seven liberal arts and try to deploy a rather faulty logical and astronomical invocations coupled with flaming rhetoric to advance his script.
Bush puts on an act, deemed from the beginning to fail, to the extent of beign openly admitted by major participants. Ahmandinejad is more subtle. He brings a much more controversial media attention to his person by organizing what World Social Forum is in relation to World Economic Forum (I don't see anyone blaming or denigrating the WSF).
Guys, PLEASE, try to see a bigger picture and don't get lost in small and insignificant but hopelessly conspicuous pieces of information and deliberations for those are mostly representing statistical noise and will be canceled out on a longer time scale.
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Re: Iran hosts militants for 'alternative' Mideast meeting
December 9, 2007 - 04:45 PM
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Guys, PLEASE, try to see a bigger picture
Yes, I would say the same.
Every person should be responsible for her/his actions. And Bush's policy affetcs the World. You can not deny this, Luke.
I can imagine it is not pleasant that everybody criticize your country. But your goverment does very ugly things in the World.
I have many friends among Americans, they feel ashamed of your prsident's foreign policy and a censorship which aprreared since Bush went to Iraq.
I was in NYC this summer and listened to the Radio and watched TV. I heard and saw myself this. one example was ignoring - there was a few accidents in Iraq that day but all channels showed Paris Hilton in jail and nothing else. Another example a daily propoganda against Arabs in Palestine (it was Russian immigrant's radio, actually all staff are Russian jews.) with to sing the praises to the great president Bush and his policy in the Middle East.
I am not against any religion but it was really unpleasant to hear what they said about Arabs even I am not Arab or Palestinian myself.
I may also tell that I met many people in the US who are against Bush and his foreign policy.
As for Putin, I do not like his home policy. As for his foreign policy I do not see something that bad.
I see that playing the games, guys is too dangerous because they may lead to a Global catastrophe. All politicians should think about that. And we, as peole who are able to think, should not be toys or instruments and should not help politicians to implement their ugly ideas.
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Re: Iran hosts militants for 'alternative' Mideast meeting
December 11, 2007 - 03:35 PM
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"Bush's policy affetcs the World. You can not deny this, Luke. "
indeed - and in this instance he is hosting a peace conference - which means that in this instance he is affecting the world positively - and for some reason you are slamming him for hosting a peace conference - why?
Your country is hosting a follow up peace conference to focus on the Syrian negotiations - now I don't like Putin, but I am not going to insult him for helping build momentum toward peace negotiations.
despite the fact that I do not like him, I can still say "good, I am glad he is doing something positive here" -
But please - I still need this explained - why are you upset with Bush for hosting the Annapolis conference? Are you equally upset with your own government for hosting the next such conference?
"But your goverment does very ugly things in the World."
so does yours - so does China's - every major power has skeletons in its closet. But... here's the thing - I understand when you critisize the US for things it does wrong - I am confused why you critisize it for hosting a peace conference.
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Re: Iran hosts militants for 'alternative' Mideast meeting
December 11, 2007 - 03:36 PM
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"Another example a daily propoganda against Arabs in Palestine (it was Russian immigrant's radio, actually all staff are Russian jews.) with to sing the praises to the great president Bush and his policy in the Middle East."
Let me ask you a question - do you think that Jews and Israel do not get demonized all the time by Arab and muslim radio hosts?
what conclusion do you expect me to draw exactly from the fact that a few Russian Jewish immigrants in NY have a small radio program? So what?
Jews are villified constantly - not just in the media - in many middle-eastern countries there are public school text books which refer to Jews as the children of "pigs and monkeys"
for that matter - your country has a terrible history of treating Jews - why not ask those Russian Jewish immigrants why they moved to America in the first place?
For that matter - in Ahmadinejad's "alternative conference" - how do you think they will speak of Jews and Israel? All sunshine and good will - I am sure.
By the way - Ahmadnejad is saying these hateful things as the President of a country - not a small radio program in Russian that no one listens to but a small Russian speaking minority.
"I may also tell that I met many people in the US who are against Bush and his foreign policy."
yeah... Ok - well I'm a Democrat - I never voted for Bush and I am VERY critical of his conduct - indeed I volunteered for Kerry.
however - the Annapolis conference is an instance where I think Bush is doing the right thing - just as I think Putin is doing the right thing by holding a follow up conference.
you see "peace2peace" unlike you - I want to ENCOURAGE peace in the middle-east.
anyway - right now I'm dating an Iranian girl - she was born there, she speaks Farsi - and she considers Ahmadinejad to be a national embarrassment.
look at the totally malevolent stance Ahamdinejad has taken - Pursians and Jews were never enemies before the Islamic revolution in 79 -
and out here in LA we still all get along perfectly well and scratch our heads at why Ahmadinejad seems intent on creating a conflict between our two peoples.
It was a mutual Israeli friend who set us up on a date in the first place.
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