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Re: UN: Crisis in Somalia is Worse Than in Darfus
November 20, 2007 - 02:12 PM

Gee whiz. How odd that the atrocities committed by Arabs/moslems are always the fault of others.

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Crisis in Somalia is Worse Than in Darfus
November 20, 2007 - 08:27 PM

THANK YOU FOR INFORMING ME OF THIS TRAGEDY.

I CONTINUE TO HURT WITH OUT-RAGE AND SADDNESS ABOUT THE LEVEL OF INTERNATIONAL CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY AND ABUSE. crying

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Re: UN: Crisis in Somalia is Worse Than in Darfus
November 21, 2007 - 12:47 AM

Arslanik wrote:<

We have these two worst crisis in Africa. In both cases, the Arab League is silent. One is being financed and backed by China and another is being financed and backed by the USA.

Why does the Security Council discuss Darfur but not Somalia? Is it because China does not have as much power over UN as does the US?

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This post was edited on: 2007-11-20 at 01:21 PM by: Arslan Jumaniyazov

Hey Arslan,

Earlier I used to be surprised at such things but after attending some MOdel UNs and playing the Permanent 5 in the SC ....its no surprise ....but more of outrage !!!!!
Every country is trying to put its priorities on top but the P5 are just plain selfish !!!

Instead of solving the regional crisis on a long term basis ....the countries with vested interest try to take maximum mileage out of the turmoil !
The P5 are the countries which have the real power to actually make positive changes but they are just irresponsible...

I am not blaming them for every regional problem but its a fact that they are the key players !!

China doesnt want to discuss Darfur, US and Russia throw their weight around on the Kosovo issue !
The people of those countries are just pawns .... Sometimes trained and armed to fight their own brothers and sisters !

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Re: UN: Crisis in Somalia is Worse Than in Darfus
November 21, 2007 - 12:22 PM

al-kafir wrote:

Gee whiz. How odd that the atrocities committed by Arabs/moslems are always the fault of others.

It is clear that one has to seriously suffer from a problem of reading comprehension to come to such a perverted interpretation of my post.

Even a fourth-grade schoolchild can read that a harsh criticism is directed against Jan Jaweed, Sudanese government and the Somali Islamic court (and a milder one on the Arab League), not only at Ethiopians, Chinese, and Americans.

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Re: UN: Crisis in Somalia is Worse Than in Darfus
November 21, 2007 - 01:01 PM

Let’s be honest, (not that I would accuse you of such a thing), but your post, as in most others, looks to excuse Arab/moslem atrocities with deceit and denial. You would hope to excuse the Arab/moslem genocide of black Africans and the colonization of their lands with frothy accusations of others, the “Great Satan” being a prime example, as being complicit in the mass murder being undertaken by Arabs/moslems.

Do feel free to drench your posts with the usual verbal weasels including “hegemony”, Hate mongering”, “Great Satan” and my favorite – racist ™, because as we all know, moslems are a “race”.

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Re: UN: Crisis in Somalia is Worse Than in Darfus
November 21, 2007 - 01:22 PM

Yes, let us be honest. I harshly criticized Jan Jaweed who are ethnically Arab or a mixture with Arabs, the Sudanese goverment which is also Arab--what else do you need?

The Chinese are supporting the Sudanese government.

Americans have supported and financed the Ethiopian invasion of Somalia which killed thousands--now, tens of thousands--and have driven about a million off their lands.

It is clear that my criticism is valid while you are in a complete denial of your government's complicity.

My guilt, according to your false logic, is mentioning the US role.

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Re: UN: Crisis in Somalia is Worse Than in Darfus
November 21, 2007 - 01:47 PM

It seems, according to al-kafir's (il)logic, the British Guardian too blames Arab/Moslem crimes on others.

Inside Africa's Guantánamo

The only way the US can prop up its client regime in Somalia is through lawlessness and slaughter

Salim Lone
Saturday April 28, 2007
The Guardian

This is the most lawless war of our generation. All wars of aggression lack legitimacy, but no conflict in recent memory has witnessed such mounting layers of illegality as the current one in Somalia. Violations of the UN charter and of international humanitarian law are regrettably commonplace in our age, and they abound in the carnage that the world is allowing to unfold in Mogadishu, but this war has in addition explicitly violated two UN security council resolutions. To complete the picture, one of these resolutions contravenes the charter itself.

The complete impunity with which Ethiopia and the transitional Somali government have been allowed to violate these resolutions explains the ruthlessness of the military assaults that have been under way for six weeks now. The details of the atrocities being committed were formally acknowledged by a western government for the first time when Germany, which holds the current EU presidency, had its ambassador to Somalia, Walter Lindner, write a tough letter - made public on Wednesday - to Somalia's president, Abdullahi Yusuf.
The letter condemned the indiscriminate use of air strikes and heavy artillery in Mogadishu's densely populated areas, the raping of women, the deliberate blocking of urgently needed food and humanitarian supplies, and the bombing of hospitals. This is a relentless drive to terrify and intimidate civilians belonging to clans from whose ranks fighters are challenging the occupation.

There was a time when security council resolutions were hallowed in most of the world, as for example resolution 242 demanding the return of occupied Palestine territory in exchange for peace. But in our new world order, the powerful decide which UN resolutions are passed, and whether they need to be honoured. So the United States, which was violating the UN arms embargo on Somalia, rushed through another resolution in December that it thought would better serve US goals - and then proceeded to violate that one as well.

The new resolution forbade neighbouring countries from being part of the regional peacekeeping force the security council authorised for Somalia; but Ethiopia went much further and unilaterally invaded, with the covert assistance of the US - which also joined the war by bombing Somalia.

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Re: UN: Crisis in Somalia is Worse Than in Darfus
November 21, 2007 - 01:52 PM

Geeeee, even America's leading newspaper, the New York Times blames Arab/Moslem crimes on others.

In Ethiopia, Fear and Cries of Army Brutality
New York Times

By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN
Published: June 18, 2007

IN THE OGADEN DESERT, Ethiopia — The rebels march 300 strong across the crunchy earth, young men with dreadlocks and AK-47s slung over their shoulders.

Often when they pass through a village, the entire village lines up, one sunken cheekbone to the next, to squint at them.

“May God bring you victory,” one woman whispered.

This is the Ogaden, a spindle-legged corner of Ethiopia that the urbane officials in Addis Ababa, the capital, would rather outsiders never see. It is the epicenter of a separatist war pitting impoverished nomads against one of the biggest armies in Africa.

What goes on here seems to be starkly different from the carefully constructed up-and-coming image that Ethiopia — a country that the United States increasingly relies on to fight militant Islam in the Horn of Africa — tries to project.

In village after village, people said they had been brutalized by government troops. They described a widespread and longstanding reign of terror, with Ethiopian soldiers gang-raping women, burning down huts and killing civilians at will.

It is the same military that the American government helps train and equip — and provides with prized intelligence. The two nations have been allies for years, but recently they have grown especially close, teaming up last winter to oust an Islamic movement that controlled much of Somalia and rid the region of a potential terrorist threat.

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Re: UN: Crisis in Somalia is Worse Than in Darfus
November 21, 2007 - 06:35 PM

I think you somehow missed the following article about how Arab/Moslem governments are sponsoring the continued racist genocide of black Africans.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/africa/article2087550.ece

It is a tragically familiar scene in Darfur, the province of western Sudan where more than 200,000 people have been killed and at least two million brutally forced from their homes - a genocide unleashed and sustained by the Islamist government in Khartoum - but this man-made inferno now sweeping across the plains is taking place across the Sudanese border in Chad. The pattern is identical to events in Darfur, where the well-armed Arab raiders allied to the Sudanese government set villages ablaze, rape the women, and leave a trail of dead black Africans in their wake. Just as in Darfur, the Sudanese government is being accused of being behind the violence in Chad, an accusation which is rejected by Khartoum.

There's a deeply flawed, yet incredibly robust, mechanism in the Islamist psyche which effectively deflects and shifts all blame for shortcomings and misdeeds onto others, the infidel, for example and the Jews being a favorite boogeyman.

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Re: UN: Crisis in Somalia is Worse Than in Darfus
November 21, 2007 - 06:46 PM

EYUP. The the genocide in Darfur is clearly being committed by everyone but Arabs/moslems.

http://www.ushmm.org/conscience/alert/darfur/contents/01-overview/

The Khartoum-based government's use of ethnically and racially targeted violence in Darfur resembles similar actions in southern Sudan before a tenuous 2005 peace agreement ended conflict there. Government sponsored actions in both regions have included:
• INFLAMING ethnic conflict
• IMPEDING international humanitarian access, resulting in deadly conditions of life for displaced civilians
• BOMBING civilians from aircraft
• MURDERING and RAPING civilians

Because of substantial evidence that "acts of genocide or related crimes against humanity were occurring or immediately threatened," in 2004 the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum declared a Genocide Emergency for Darfur. That same year, the U.S. government determined that genocide had been committed in Darfur. In January 2005, the UN Commission of Inquiry concluded that "crimes against humanity and war crimes have been committed in Darfur and may be no less serious and heinous then genocide." In March 2005, the UN Security Council asked the International Criminal Court to investigate the Darfur situation. The court has issued arrest warrants for a high-ranking Sudanese government official and a militia leader on charges of crimes against humanity.

Anyway, you add that number to those killed during the same time period in the jihad fronts of the Sudan (200,000±) and Algeria (120,000±) and you've got yourself a city's worth of Religion of Peace murder victims. But of course, it doesn't stop in Jammu & Kashmir, Algeria, and Darfur.