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Islam and Women
October 30, 2007 - 12:14 PM
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Is Islam opressive to women?
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Re: Islam and Women
October 30, 2007 - 12:45 PM
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hi there,
No....no religion disrespects women....if there is neone to be blamed ...it's the people who makes their own rules...
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Re: Islam and Women
October 30, 2007 - 04:42 PM
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No it's not 
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Re: Islam and Women
October 30, 2007 - 05:32 PM
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Well...I agree. Islam is not saying that woman are less and things like that BUT the extremist people are the ones who made it look like that!
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Re: Islam and Women
October 30, 2007 - 05:36 PM
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It is better to ask with some concrete example. then people may give you their vision and explain whatever is not clear on this issue.
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Re: Islam and Women
October 30, 2007 - 06:02 PM
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Okay, it seems we need a little more fire... Why is it that in some Middle Eastern/Muslim-majority countries women do not have equal rights to divorce, property, citizenship, and child custody? Why is polygamy allowed? What is the veil all about? Religion, the Quran, and the example of the Prophet (pbuh) are all used to justify maltreatment of women.
Are you Muslim? Let me know what you think! If you don't see a problem with women in Islam, why is it that so many do?
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Re: Islam and Women
October 31, 2007 - 07:22 AM
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petiteragazza wrote:
Well...I agree. Islam is not saying that woman are less and things like that BUT the extremist people are the ones who made it look like that!*
It is human idiologies in religion..not only in Islam but also in many other religion of our days and if not why too much proliferations of RELIGIONS with different teachings and behaviors??....just along the line extremist were found with also so many, many other segregations we see today within OUR same denominations
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Re: Islam and Women
October 31, 2007 - 07:31 AM
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wlp wrote:
Okay, it seems we need a little more fire... Why is it that in some Middle Eastern/Muslim-majority countries women do not have equal rights to divorce, property, citizenship, and child custody? Why is polygamy allowed? What is the veil all about? Religion, the Quran, and the example of the Prophet (pbuh) are all used to justify maltreatment of women.
Koran, Sura 4:34
There are countless English translations, but this is the most benign:
[4:34] The men are made responsible for the women, and GOD has endowed them with certain qualities, and made them the bread earners. The righteous women will cheerfully accept this arrangement, since it is GOD's commandment, and honor their husbands during their absence. If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then desert them in bed, then you may beat them. If they obey you, you are not permitted to transgress against them. GOD is Most High, Supreme.
Unfortunately. all translation versions have the "then you may beat them" clause.
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Re: Islam and Women
October 31, 2007 - 06:33 PM
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i'll be frank and direct......you have to know that ISLAM gives women alot of rights ....the right to vote in elections, to choose her husband "marriage stands on her opinion", the right to educate, trade.....and to role important posts......to be independant in her fincial affairs from her husband..............................and i'll say do not ever take the middle east countries as a reprenstatives of ISLAM.....because your MUSLIM neighboors may be better.........GOOG MUSLIMS ARE EVERYWHERE.....they are not concentrated in one area
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Re: Islam and Women
November 1, 2007 - 06:19 AM
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* No..., No....
Islam is too respect to woman.
I didn't understand, why any people accused women in Islamic Law do not have equal rights to divorce, property, citizenship, and child custody?
In fact, Islamic Law admit women rights mostly, either in divorces case, property, citizenship, democracy, more and more child custody.
Brothers, don't gauge Islam based on limited view. And let make the world better without violence, war, HIV/AIDs, poverty, etc*.
This post was edited on: 2007-11-01 at 06:23 AM by: hayadin
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Re: Islam and Women
November 1, 2007 - 12:23 PM
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prieten47 wrote:
wlp wrote:
If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then desert them in bed, then you may beat them. If they obey you, you are not permitted to transgress against them. GOD is Most High, Supreme.
Unfortunately. all translation versions have the "then you may beat them" clause.
THATS WHAT I DONT LIKE!
The beat your woman part....why not beat ur man? lol but seriosly NOBODY should say yes to VIOLENCE.
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Re: Islam and Women
November 4, 2007 - 02:19 PM
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Each verse in the Quran has it's own events, when Allah said in the Quran "to Beat them" he didnt mean beat them hard, and the event was a men wanted to beat his wife coz she didnt obay him, and he asked the prophet to do so, but the Prophet PBUH, inhibited him to beat her and told him to make this slightly only to show her his unsatisfaction for her disobaying.
Another thing is, there is Hadeeth said by the Prophet PBUH, to treat the women very well coz they are as if the phial, so i dont think there could be a comparison more then this.
If the women is treated as Islam dictated, then it will be the best treatment over all the other rules.
women in islam is been giving all the rights equall with men, unless it's not approprate with her natural as a women, and thats something women have forgotten about, they forgot that some things can only be for men, but the truth is not every thing is suitable for women.
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Re: Islam and Women
November 5, 2007 - 02:42 AM
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wlp wrote:
Okay, it seems we need a little more fire... Why is it that in some Middle Eastern/Muslim-majority countries women do not have equal rights to divorce, property, citizenship, and child custody? Why is polygamy allowed? What is the veil all about? Religion, the Quran, and the example of the Prophet (pbuh) are all used to justify maltreatment of women.
Are you Muslim? Let me know what you think! If you don't see a problem with women in Islam, why is it that so many do?
I think the questions raised here about Islam and women are irrelevent unless you discuss the status of women in Christianity, in judism, or in Hinduism.I can give you thousand of quotes from all religion which are discriminatory to women. shouldn'n we also discuss and compare the rate of crime against women [including Rape, abuse, sexual harrasment and eve teasing cases] in different countries all over the world .... Let's find out, i am sure you will get your answer about the status of women in middle east, US, europe or Asia.
There can not be any justification of discrimination, but i believe no religion is responsible for it...neither Islam nor christianity... or for that matter any other religion
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Re: Islam and Women
November 5, 2007 - 03:10 AM
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jamal wrote:
wlp wrote:
Are you Muslim? Let me know what you think! If you don't see a problem with women in Islam, why is it that so many do?
There can not be any justification of discrimination, but i believe no religion is responsible for it...neither Islam nor christianity... or for that matter any other religion
There certainly is plenty of discrimination against women all over the world. However, in most Western countries (where religion does not hold sway) women do have equality with men before the law.
This is simply not the case in countries where Islamic Sharia is practiced. There is a long discussion at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_Islam
about women's rights in Islamic countries. There seems to be little agreement among Islamic scholars as to just what rights women have---not a very good indicator that women have equal rights with men.
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Re: Islam and Women
November 5, 2007 - 07:04 AM
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There certainly is plenty of discrimination against women all over the world. However, in most Western countries (where religion does not hold sway) women do have equality with men before the law.
This is simply not the case in countries where Islamic Sharia is practiced. There is a long discussion at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_Islam
about women's rights in Islamic countries. There seems to be little agreement among Islamic scholars as to just what rights women have---not a very good indicator that women have equal rights with men.
well my dear friend... Sharia, as far as i know is The law system inspired by the Koran, older Arabic law systems, parallel traditions, and work of Muslim scholars over the two first centuries of Islam. Sharia is often referred to as Islamic law, but this is wrong, as only a small part is irrefutably based upon the core Islamic text, the Koran and not entirely the law prescribed by holy Quran.
there is a good book available to download at http://www.irf.net/irf/download/index.htm
which can give a true insight to women rights in Islam.
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