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alin love rai
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capital punishment but when sadam was....
October 19, 2007 - 01:12 AM
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i strongly disagree with capital punishment....believe me i really relly do. but i didnt feel so bad when sadam was given the capital punishment after what he had done....... wwhat do you think of capital punishment guys and if u disagree to it ....what do u think of the execution of sadam hussein?????
This post was edited on: 2007-10-19 at 01:13 AM by: alin love rai
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Re: capital punishment but when sadam was....
October 19, 2007 - 12:58 PM
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Capital punishment is a tough topic - because there are some individual cases where I would support it - where guilt is beyond question, there is no chance of reformation and the crime is horrendous. But those cases are very rare. The only one I can actually think of (that relates to Canada) is Paul Bernardo - who abducted, sexually abused and murdered two young girls in Southern Ontario many years ago, and is in jail for the rest of his life. Would death really be a punishment for him at this point? I'm not sure.
On the other hand, why should any one person - or group of people - have the right to decide to end another person's life? It seems to leave a lot of room for mistakes. There are also so many factors behind crime - such as a person's economic, social or education situation that should be taken into consideration. Many times it is society that creates the criminal in the first place.
So despite individual cases where I might support capital punishment - in general I am very glad that Canada no longer employs it. I think that getting rid of the option of execution will eventually force governments and civil society to look for solutions to the societal problems that can cause individuals to become involved in or turn to crime.
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Re: capital punishment but when sadam was....
October 20, 2007 - 12:47 AM
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To me, capital punishment is a question of ethics and the two different ethical approaches.
The absolutist approach of ethics is tantamount to that of natural law. That is, that certain actions in themselves are fundamentally and therefore categorically wrong. That is, that capital punishment is killing a person and that murder is unconditionally a crime.
The propotionalistic view, on the other hand, finds that in certain mitigating or justifying circumstances an action, although being wrong in itself can be considered the morally right thing to do. That is, although murder is wrong, a state sanctioned murder of someone who has committed a heinous, grievous act, murdering them is the right thing to do in terms of societies’ benefit and retribution over the criminal.
Furthering the ethical dilemma of “legalised murder”, there are an abundance of ethical approaches and arguments put forward by those in favour and those against capital punishment. The supporters of the death penalty move that ethically it is the right thing to do. That capital punishment has been implemented successfully throughout history by the Catholic Church and at one time or another by countries all over the world. They put forward that it is an effective deterrent, that criminals executed can never commit wrongdoings again and that the action itself is acceptable under teleological ethics as the outcome is favourable and pursuant to the age old retributive theory of “an eye for an eye”.
The naysayers, however, believe that it is a barbaric and an unethical approach, many suggest that as opposed to the retributive theory of punishment and utilitarianism that reformative and therapeutic action be taken against the wrongdoer. They also proclaim that as capital punishment isn’t universally applied throughout the world, it is unethical and the wrong thing to do. They question, “How can something be moral if it isn’t applied to all equally? If I murder in Australia I’ll get prison but if I murder in Singapore I’ll be executed.”
Capital punishment is an issue of heated discussion. There are many considerable arguments for and against either its sustainment or reintroduction. In questioning whether or not it is ethical or unethical, right or wrong that determination can only be made by the individual and there ethical approaches. Perhaps U.S. Senator Orrin Hatch summed the issue up best when he stated “capital punishment is our society’s recognition of the sanctity of a human life.”
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Re: capital punishment but when sadam was....
October 20, 2007 - 12:53 PM
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I dont disagree with capital murder, but at the same time i dont like the idea of it. When a person murders more than one person than i believe they should be put to death. Its not right that they continue to live when they took the lives of other people. But I also believe capital punishment is the easiest way out for them. Instead of staying in a 6 by 8 cell for the rest of their lives, they stay in prison for 10-20 years and then are executed. Part of me likes the idea of captial punishment, and the other part would rather see murderers spend their lives in a cell.
As for Saddam, I am glad that he was executed. After all the years that he spent torturing the people of his country and demanding that they respect and honor him, it was the best thing they could do for that country. Just watching the news after he was executed and seeing the relief and happiness on Iraqis faces is enough to tell you how horrible he must have treated his people. There's no question that a man who demands over 100 people to be murdered deserves to be executed.
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Re: capital punishment but when sadam was....
October 20, 2007 - 09:16 PM
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I personally don't understand capital punishment at all- someone murders someone...so as punishment we murder them...but then shouldn't the person who executed them also be executed and then the person who executed the executioner and so on? what makes it wrong for them to kill someone and right for us to kill them? yes-they may have done something wrong, but all we're doing is lowering ourselves to their level and anyway what sounds worse- a quick death or a life spent in solitary?
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Re: capital punishment but when sadam was....
October 21, 2007 - 10:36 AM
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jwaechter wrote:
As for Saddam, I am glad that he was executed. After all the years that he spent torturing the people of his country and demanding that they respect and honor him, it was the best thing they could do for that country. Just watching the news after he was executed and seeing the relief and happiness on Iraqis faces is enough to tell you how horrible he must have treated his people. There's no question that a man who demands over 100 people to be murdered deserves to be executed.
Well....it's really ambiguous...not really all Iraqis were happy about Saddam's execution. I can't imagine myself publicly expressing my happiness for Saddam's execution in the streets of an Iraqi town like Tikrit for example.
Meanwhile, the method itself showed a great deal of disrespect and humiliation to a holy Islamic event, and to a man -regardless of whatever crimes he had committed- used to be at some point of history a president of an Arab country.
In no sense am I trying to support Saddam's case, but I'm just pointing out to the fact that generalizations are not accurate.
Furthermore, the issue of being pro or anti capital punishments has some other implications that need to be framed within a philosophical context. A possible inquiry might be formulated as follows: Why wouldn't humanity struggle to end war, in parallel with struggling to end crime?
This post was edited on: 2007-10-23 at 07:51 AM by: HAKE3 07
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Re: capital punishment but when sadam was....
October 22, 2007 - 10:51 PM
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aymanelhakea wrote:
jwaechter wrote:
As for Saddam, I am glad that he was executed. After all the years that he spent torturing the people of his country and demanding that they respect and honor him, it was the best thing they could do for that country. Just watching the news after he was executed and seeing the relief and happiness on Iraqis faces is enough to tell you how horrible he must have treated his people. There's no question that a man who demands over 100 people to be murdered deserves to be executed.
Well....it's really ambiguous...not really all Iraqis were happy about Saddam's execution. I can't imagine myself publicly expressing my happiness for Saddam's execution in the streets of an Iraqi town like Tikrit for example.
Meanwhile, the method itself showed a great deal of disrespect and humiliation to a holy Islamic event, and to a man -regardless of whetever crimes he had committed- used to be at some point of history a president of an Arab country.
This post was edited on: 2007-10-21 at 10:37 AM by: HAKE3 07
I agree. To say that one is happy because sadaam got executed seems a little strange. After all, will Bush get executed for Fallujah? Did Churchill for Dresden? Who will be punished for Abu Graib?
And the execution was an event that severely worsened tensions in Iraq, and is at least party responsible for the societal breakdown we now witness.
At least that's my opinion.
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Re: capital punishment but when sadam was....
October 23, 2007 - 02:13 PM
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i support capital punishment strongly. If a man who has been known to murder or advocate the murder of thousands upon thousands of people, like Houssein, could be could be given justice, what else could the punishment be other than death?
If a person coems into your house and kills a family member, i, and many others, would strongly support the execution of that person
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Re: capital punishment but when sadam was....
October 24, 2007 - 04:42 AM
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antwn927 wrote:
i support capital punishment strongly. If a man who has been known to murder or advocate the murder of thousands upon thousands of people, like Houssein, could be could be given justice, what else could the punishment be other than death?
If a person coems into your house and kills a family member, i, and many others, would strongly support the execution of that person</sp
i agree to u that when i put myself in the situation create, even i wouold think of punishment no less than capital punishment. but under such circumstances we wouldnt be thinking clearly.. n that is why we have courts to make unbaised decision. but yea, when i think of what saddam did, i relly dont pity him at all. dunno why.
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