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Dmitry Savelau
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The future of education
May 16, 2003 - 06:05 AM
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I think that the system of education changes to the personal or self-education. You can probably say that it had already changed, but for belarusian citizens and for the pat- Soviet Union area, it's still far. I mean, the educational system here goes like this: teacher - is a person who teach. Students - are people, who know nothing. The Teacher gives you information and you learn it (and it doesn't matter wether you want to learn it or not).
The future system, i think should look like this:
teacher - is a source oà information, but not only the one way to be get information. The aim of the students to learn. They LEARN, but not TEACHED! Look, for example to Japan situation - coputer learning - distance learning. That's how it works - it's your business to learn or not to learn. Your choise. No control - it depends on you. And here's again - you learn - but not teached. It's just impossible to put a kknowledge to someone's head.... but in Belarus, still future teachers are learnt how to put this knowledge.... absolutely miistaken...
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Re: The future of education
May 17, 2003 - 02:40 AM
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i think this is only true for higher or further education ... the basics need to be taught by someone - it´s part of breeding 
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Re: The future of education
May 17, 2003 - 03:38 AM
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hey Dzmitry
i understand perfectly what you are talking about. Thaz the same problems in many countries including vietnam where i am.
however i think a effective education is not the one that only focus on personal and self study especially in the basic/primary education. In other countries there are new kinds of schooling like homeschooling or distance schooling for secondary school kids. IN Korea i went to a so-called "alternative school" . Alternative school is the place where the students teach themselves and govern the school themselves. ITs a Pretty radical experiment but the students themselves told us that while it is awesome that they have more freedom and can learn what they want, they also have a lot of problems in organizing and governing the school among themselves.
so i think a positive edu system would be the one that focus more on personal development of creativity and intellectuality while stimulating the sense of community and teamwork skills. In that way,the teachers need to allow students more space to actively involved in the process of learning instead of digesting informatio passively.But still teachers and schools are essential because at teen age, kids are normally not yet emotional stable and need to develop several life skills that can only be obtained in communal environment. Home schooling, personal education wouldnt allow them to do so.
in vietnam we are having some reformation in education system. By sending out teachers study abroad to learn new and modern methods of teaching, inviting foreign teachers, making surveys on student's needs etc, ..
im eager to see how things gotta improve in a couple of years.
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Dmitry Savelau
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May 17, 2003 - 05:26 AM
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Thanks guys, for your opinion.
As for the secondary school, so i think the system i was talking about start to work, when the system of "playing games" ends. I mean, children do really maybe need to have an adult-leader at learning process, so this kind of education should look like a game, but then, children grow up, so games are no more available & interesting for them, and here is important to use the model i was writing about. I absolutely agree with Angel_on_broomstick that it should develop creativity/individuality/ it should personalize people.
We're far to this, unfortunately, but what exactly in Vietnam? the same as in Belarus? but i can't be truth, i mean, i thought we're the only country going backto USSR.
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Re: The future of education
May 17, 2003 - 08:38 AM
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well donno if the same or not cuz never been to belarus. 
but in Vietnam, we have to study a lot.There are some schools where there are new method of teaching which really boost student's creativity and ability to work inidividualy(like my school ) but these are very few. In most schools, the way of study is teacher speak, student copydown everything(and they are actually already there in textbooks!).Our programme is heavy.Example, i major in social science and a senior in highschool (i already graduate actually some days ago hehe  ) but i had to study 11 subjects among which i major in 3. Thaz a LOT!
but now thinking back, i think its not thaz bad. Its pretty cool actually. Cuz we can know a bit of everything. the only problem is in vietnam teachers want us to be good in everything, so our courses even in the one we are not major in are very very demanding and tough ones.so its simply too stressful and hard to cram everything in ur brain.
i think in early educatin,the kind of game-study-fun would be awesome
hey i have a friend in Belarus now studying in US. He used to participate in a project of UNicef belarus.they produce programmes on TV where kids can come and talk about issues like health, HIV Aids and education. Maybe u should check out and get involved with UNicef,trying to change ur edu system by ,as first step, raising awareness?
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on soviet influence
May 17, 2003 - 08:54 AM
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But im wondering what belarus edu has to do with Soviet UNion? I understand that Soviet Union once had strong influence on seveal Eastern Eu countries. Vietname once had received loz of support from Soviet Union too.
But Soviet Union had already collapsed. So what something that doesnt exist anymore has to do with Belarus edu?
Many Vietnamese teachers were educated in Russia but they are good intellectually, I just think their methods of teaching are outdated.
Moreover, eastern Eu countries have been influenced by Russia also in education field.But actually Russian education is not that bad. They have produced so many awespiring scientists and artists and intellectual people for the world. 75 % of Vietnamese current major leaders were educated in Russia and i think their economic and social reformation and governance is not bad, which means their prior education were not bad.
so what is ur problem?
enlighten me
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Re: The future of education
May 18, 2003 - 04:35 AM
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very good question besty ... mhm
seems some ppl only talk about enlightment, education, empowerment .. but they do not really want the grassroots become enlighted, educated, empowered ...
the question is ... why??
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Re: The future of education
May 18, 2003 - 06:27 AM
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i understand that it may seem strange.... the result of the soviet union education is the people know generally alot, but the SSSr infrostructure do not need them.
For Western europe USSR meant a lot of. It had changed their mind, people were taught that they are absolutely the same - no individuality, no nothing. And in that times peopples' aim was to get hard work. Because only working on the factory you could earn some money...
As i said USSR changed peoples' minds very much. Ask yourself why do lithuania and slovakia really wants to enter the EUROUNION? one of the reasons is that they want to forget everything that connected them with russia, belarus, ukraine and etc.. But in Belarus, 4 example, minds of the goverment leaders still hadn't changed. Here, you don't need to have a good education, beause the only way for you to get a lot of money is to go to be a worker, of on the factory... THAT IT! TRUE! that;s why more than 50% of belarussians leaving the country. Every third who graduated leaving for better life, life outside. But there, in other countries, they will be successful, because here we still learn a lot, but generally....
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Re: The future of education
May 18, 2003 - 06:58 AM
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Off topic a bit, but still about education.
If education is the key to the future, why do governments hold it back? Is it because they are greedy?
Just a comment
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Re: The future of education
May 18, 2003 - 08:15 AM
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Besty its not off the topic. Actually thaz what i m concerned too.
Originally posted by DzmitrySavelau
people were taught that they are absolutely the same - no individuality, no nothing. And in that times peoples' aim was to get hard work. Because only working on the factory you could earn some money...
From your post, it sounds like Belarus had gone through system of budget subsidies? Is that still happening in a new form sort of?
And then of course there needs to be workers in factory, but what about directors, business owners,consultants etc etc who run the factory? they need to have certain knowledge of the field to run a factory arent they? are they public or private factory? Are they the owners Belarussian or foreigners ie Russian?
u said ppl dont need to study cuz being a worker is the way to get some money. So is it the government that doesnt support you to study?(ie: putting really xpensive tution fees,small budget in edu etc) or is it your choice not to study becuz it doesnt necessary inorder to become a worker?why dont ppl wanna have loz money but just some money? Is it becuz worker salary is enuf for a good living already? or not?
as for why those countries Lithu.. and slovak wanna join EU. I think its not becuz they wannan get away from Russian influence. The main reason is that after 1991, Russia is no more a big guy in the world in terms of economy, or at least not strong enough to support them. So they just need to find their own way to survive in this competitive world. Joining EU would give them the chance to do so.
50 % Belarussian leaving the country? Wow! do u mean 50% of ur population? wheww this..unbelievable! when is this data dated? this year?
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Dmitry Savelau
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Re: The future of education
May 21, 2003 - 10:35 AM
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Hi there,
I'll tell u just a few words, that our president told us when he was interviewed. When smb asked him about the third term of being a president (here, in Belarus, the same person can't be the president for 3 terms. it should be changed), so our "father" told us "noting is impossible" THAT"S ALL! He decided i think to change all law structures here (( Just imagine, that we cannot earn a lot of money as you have said, we just have no possiblity to do it legally... SO, that's why people leave..
But the higher salary here, is the salary of workers, simple worker on the factories, headed my the "friends of the president".
Yes, you can have a super great education, you can know a LOT, but next what? In belarus, you cannot use it on 100%.
Anyway, you have to leave. Or to use your hands and work. I say on the factory, but it's just general. Everythng that connected with the force, you know, using hands not head, everything here is highly paid.
Did you hear about the people missed? So, here you are! I'm not sure about 8 people have gone, just disapeared.. People were searching for them, they were making pickets, meetings..nothing. People still think that the presidednt did it. But nothing can be proved... It would'nt be so important, u know really lot of people missing per year, but these people, they all were searching for a truth over here, they wanted to change current situation... butm, unfortunately, they are not able... And now, mostly all who still live here, they're afraid of doing smth... something active, you know lke searching....
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