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Music and meaning
September 25, 2007 - 10:28 PM
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How do you feel about hard rock music. Do you think the screaming sends out bad messages? It bothers me when instances like columbine are blamed because of the music. Take the time and read some lyrics from some harder rock bands, how violet are they?
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Re: Music and meaning
September 26, 2007 - 02:33 AM
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Im am not a rock fan and I have always wondered why people like it. Until now, I still havent found the reason why most people have a certain affinity to this type of music so I just concluded that different people like different things.
Anyway, I have managed to read the lyrics of some rock songs and I think most of them have good messages. My only problem is the way they are being delivered. Some singers scream out the lyrics which makes his/her message incomprehensible to the "first time" listeners.
I also think that the portrayal of rock music as "evil" contributes to its association with the suicidal or murderous characteristics of those young people. I think this is wrong because they may have been more heavily influenced by other factors such as drugs, alcohol, an unloving family, an unhealthy environment, and many more.
Music is there to entertain. Let us not blame it.
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Re: Music and meaning
September 26, 2007 - 05:12 PM
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i agree that with the screaming it can come off as a malicious message but if someone truly likes it then you can't blame them. I mean i am a fan of hardcore, sream your lungs out rock, but i have no intention of killing my mom or suicide. Haha.
SO how about rap. alot of it has negative messages. if you think about it there is more reference to violence in rap than in hardcore rock. think about how many rappers have been shot or are involved in violence even in the media.
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Re: Music and meaning
September 26, 2007 - 07:03 PM
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Personally, I do like rock. Hard rock as well. There's no evil in music itself, it's how we interpret it.
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Re: Music and meaning
September 30, 2007 - 06:00 PM
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yeah-and how you interpret it depends on your social and environment background-on how and where you've been raised. and when one grows up in an wholesome person and makes it's own opinions, its own tastes-from there on everything depends. like, if you're not a stable person, with a firm personality and you don't know exactly what you want, then you seek what you think it's good in other places, people. if, for instance, rock-hard rock-rap, whatever you want, is good for that group of people and he/she thinks it's "cool" and "in", that person joins this group and starts listening to that kind of music, then there is a chance, that if a person has its own weaknesses in her/his life and doesnt see a purpose etc, there is a chance that music can make him/her act bad, do bad things, or the worst, make a suicide, but that's really rare.
ok, if i wanted i could say so much more on this subject, but i'll stop here.
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September 30, 2007 - 06:00 PM
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and if you ask me, i don't have nothing against rock-it's even one of my best genres of music. and don't mix punk, metal and heavy metal here. i mean an old rock as in pink floyd, rolling stones and similar. like one of you said-most of them have good lyrics, some even with a message, and good melodies ...
it's true, but that's everywhere-in all things there are always good and bad points.
but, as i understand, you did not meant rock, but perhaps heavy metal etc?? because, rock bands usually don't scream. my mate once took me to a concert. she said this group is very good and that i won't regret it (she didn't tell me what kind of music they play-because she knew that then i wouldnt go), and i went. they played heavy metal in a very small cellar really loud, so when i came out of that room, i didn't hear a thing! i had to talk really loud, and i didn't see much of a point in that kind of music too. it had no sense-they screamed one word over and over again, and played really simple combinations of cords on guitars-agh (death to my musical ears).
well, nevertheless-i'm also aware that there can be some good songs in that area of music too, because my brother listens to it (i don't understand where did he find it, but if he likes it and makes him satisfied, it's ok with me-he's a really good person, and isn't violent at all), and sometimes he plays me songs, so i know it isn't that bad. i cant listen to it more then 10min though, but when you're frustrated, and have a really bad day, it can make you feel better 
but that's just my opinion&my experience with that kind of music i think u meant  it's also important that you don't mix genres, because they can be so much different, though they may be in the same "area" of music.
oh, so what kind of music do you like then, if not "the one where they scream"?
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Re: Music and meaning
October 5, 2007 - 11:16 AM
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Music, like any other form of expression, can be misinterpreted. People confuse guitar distortion with aggression, gyrating dance moves with overt sexuality etc etc.
One thing that everyone can agree on is that music evokes emotions. The crux of the issue is not if certain genres of music make people behave differently, but rather how does an individual respond to emotions?
Ultimately, it is the listener who decides how they react. Musicians cannot and must not be held culpable for the actions of their fans.
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Re: Music and meaning
October 8, 2007 - 06:54 PM
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a couple of rock groups promote satanism. the news reported that a 15 year old boy shot his 9 year old brother in the face. the 15 year old was arrested and the boy did not resist arrest.
the police went to the house and searched the 15yr. old's bedroom and found booklets about information about satanism that the boy had received during a music concert by a legendary rock group (i will not name the group).
at the rock concert, the musicians were handing out booklets about satan, how to worship satanism, how to join the religion, how to murder, how to hate christians, how to glorify satan, etc.
music is powerful. be careful what you listen to.
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October 10, 2007 - 12:12 PM
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I think we need to take a step back first and remember that there is a difference between Satanism and Devil Worship. I won't go too deep into the differences (partially because I"m not fully knowledgeable and also this would be off topic).
That said - one is explicit in its attitude towards destruction/murder/etc. etc. - while the other is more about realizing that desires can/should/must be fulfilled, but for the betterment of society. I'll leave you to decided which is which =P
Back to the topic at hand - if we are to condemn groups that propound a specific religion in their music, then all religions are at fault. Or what about musicians who preach anarchism and communism at their concerts?
Personally, I think loud, aggressive music is good - as it releases tensions for the listener - instead of bottling them up and releasing them at inopportune moments. That's why after emerging a moshpit many people feel calm and at ease - all the negative energy was expelled.
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Re: Music and meaning
November 8, 2007 - 07:17 PM
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i personally am a fan of rock and i do agree sometimes the lyrics or the way a song is performed can seem offensive. i'm a singer in a rock band and i know how difficult it can be sometimes to get the message i want to portray across to the listener
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Re: Music and meaning
November 11, 2007 - 06:52 PM
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bluequack wrote:
Africhika wrote:
a couple of rock groups promote satanism. the news reported that a 15 year old boy shot his 9 year old brother in the face. the 15 year old was arrested and the boy did not resist arrest.
the police went to the house and searched the 15yr. old's bedroom and found booklets about information about satanism that the boy had received during a music concert by a legendary rock group (i will not name the group).
at the rock concert, the musicians were handing out booklets about satan, how to worship satanism, how to join the religion, how to murder, how to hate christians, how to glorify satan, etc.
music is powerful. be careful what you listen to.
Why not naming the group?
If the musicians were distributing "booklets how to murder, how to hate", why weren't any actions taken against them?
Some more facts, please, I'm being sceptical without them
if the group was named, somebody might be biased..
I think, sometimes, screaming emphasizes a point in rock bands. Personally, i dont like screaming in my music, but there are some exeptions. also, its easier to sing along to, because you can be tone deaf and still scream.
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Re: Music and meaning
November 14, 2007 - 09:49 PM
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without pure speculation we would not have the lightbulb, the computer, duct tape......
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Re: Music and meaning
November 15, 2007 - 04:54 AM
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that's right, but we also wouldn't have chaos, mayhem, panic and prejudice without any reasons...
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Re: Music and meaning
November 23, 2007 - 07:06 PM
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from chaos and mayhem come eventual understanding.
From panic comes peace, and from wartimes come unlikely allies.
from all these, comes music!
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Re: Music and meaning
November 26, 2007 - 10:28 PM
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there are different types of rock music. my favourite genre is rock but not the type where they just scream and swear. death metal and other genres like that have some bands which actually base their band on satanism!
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