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Iraqi Shiites and Sunnis now joining forces with U.S.
September 15, 2007 - 10:07 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070916/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_shiite_sheiks
This is a good sign, Shiiites and Sunnis are beginning to realize who the real enemy of Iraq is....al-qaeda.
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Re: Iraqi Shiites and Sunnis now joining forces with U.S.
September 16, 2007 - 10:42 AM
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I'm sure they're very excited about it.
More than 1,000,000 Iraqis murdered since 2003 invasion In the week in which General Patraeus reports back to US Congress on the impact the recent 'surge' is having in Iraq, a new poll reveals that more than 1,000,000 Iraqi citizens have been murdered since the invasion took place in 2003. Previous estimates, most noticeably the one published in the Lancet in October 2006, suggested almost half this number (654,965 deaths).
These findings come from a poll released today by O.R.B., the British polling agency that have been tracking public opinion in Iraq since 2005.
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Re: Iraqi Shiites and Sunnis now joining forces with U.S.
September 16, 2007 - 03:08 PM
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and still they will think that Al-Qaeeda is enemy or even exist when US is there...??? Actually no choice is left strategically..!!
This post was edited on: 2007-09-16 at 03:08 PM by: addi
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Re: Iraqi Shiites and Sunnis now joining forces with U.S.
September 17, 2007 - 02:41 PM
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Was there Al-Qaeda in Iraq before the US invasion of Iraq?
Did we ever witness this brutal day in and day out car explosions and horrific sectarian murders in Iraq before the US invasion of Iraq?
Wake up and smell the coffee, Steve!!
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Re: Iraqi Shiites and Sunnis now joining forces with U.S.
September 17, 2007 - 10:07 PM
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come on people. i'm getting the impression that some people hate america so much that they would rather see america fail in iraq than seeing a safe secure iraq on its way to healing its wounds.
obviously the war brought even more misery to iraq but why each time something good happens in iraq, u criticize it and twist it to make it look like a bad thing, do u want any good for iraqis or u just want us to keep cursing americans and things keep on getting worse so that u can have more proofs of how america is evil, would u just show more support for iraqi people.
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Re: Iraqi Shiites and Sunnis now joining forces with U.S.
September 18, 2007 - 12:20 AM
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"obviously the war brought even more misery to iraq but why each time something good happens in iraq, u criticize it and twist it to make it look like a bad thing"
unfortunately I think that is accurate.
My mom used to tell me there are more important things than being 'right'
more important then inditing the US - is seeing Iraq stabilize.
Iraq's neighbors have not fostered stability.
I think with Iraq's current situation there is plenty of blame to go around - Saddam, the US, Al Qaeda, Iran, Syria, Sadr, Malaki, The Kurds won't share the Oil in the north -
There are of problems - and those of you who are already casting Iraqs fate as an utter failure, so you can vindicate your politics -
are doing a disservice to the Iraqis. If this government falls apart what will take its place - probably war.
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Re: Iraqi Shiites and Sunnis now joining forces with U.S.
September 18, 2007 - 09:53 AM
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I have said this in the past. I will say it again. Iraq has become a disaster, I think it is time for America to give up the wishful thinking and leave. Yes, this will mean civil war. Probably the Shiites, with the backing of Iran, will win, wiping out the Sunnis and the Kurds. The Sunnis asked for it, the Kurds didn't, but I don't think losing any more American lives in Iraq will accomplish anything. If we hadn't tried all this "democracy building" for such a long time, maybe the civil war would have been over by now. We could have been helping the country to rebuild by now. Yes, America has that responsibility, but you cannot build democracy or rebuild a country where a significant part of the population wants to sabotage your efforts. Let's get out, let the dust settle, and then, when someone has control, try to help the country rebuild.
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Re: Iraqi Shiites and Sunnis now joining forces with U.S.
September 18, 2007 - 12:00 PM
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I don't think losing any more American lives in Iraq will accomplish anything. If we hadn't tried all this "democracy building" for such a long time, maybe the civil war would have been over by now. We could have been helping the country to rebuild by now. Yes, America has that responsibility, but you cannot build democracy or rebuild a country where a significant part of the population wants to sabotage your efforts. Let's get out, let the dust settle, and then, when someone has control, try to help the country rebuild.
I disagreed with you before on many issues, but here I entirely agree.
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Re: Iraqi Shiites and Sunnis now joining forces with U.S.
September 18, 2007 - 12:15 PM
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Hammodi wrote:
come on people. i'm getting the impression that some people hate america so much that they would rather see america fail in iraq than seeing a safe secure iraq on its way to healing its wounds.
obviously the war brought even more misery to iraq but why each time something good happens in iraq, u criticize it and twist it to make it look like a bad thing, do u want any good for iraqis or u just want us to keep cursing americans and things keep on getting worse so that u can have more proofs of how america is evil, would u just show more support for iraqi people.
Dear Hammodi,
You fully supported this war in the beginning. I understand that. Now, you realize that the war brought even more misery to Iraq, as you rightly put it. There might be people who were against invasion of Iraq by the US only because of prejudice against America or out of other principles, but many people were against precisely because they thought it would bring more misery to Iraq.
I was against it from the very beginning because I was sure that the Bush Administration did not have any well-meaning purposes there. There were lies over and over. Brazen lies. Most of them have been exposed but still you can see some hold-ons claiming that Iraq was behind 9/11. Even now, as Washington Post reported, they are using crippled Iraq War veterans who say in a video ad "They attacked us first," the video shows the World Trade Center being attacked.
Now, despite my distrust of the US in Iraq, three years ago I stopped criticizing the War in Iraq for a few months because of Saddam's abominable human rights, and was hoping that something good might come out of it, at least something better than what was under Saddam. But things are getting worse and worse.
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Re: Iraqi Shiites and Sunnis now joining forces with U.S.
September 18, 2007 - 12:15 PM
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Unfortunately--I hate to say that--the aftermath of the US withdrawal seems to be very hard for Iraqis. However, that anticipated scary aftermath is going to take place no matter when the US leaves--whether it leaves tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. Even if we put all moral issues aside, from practical perspective it is clear that there is no way the US military can solve the situation there.
In another thread, I posted an article describing the experiences of US soldiers. Don't get me wrong. I do not claim that most US soldiers are born-racists and killers. While there might be some, most of the US soldiers lose control because of the psychological effects of the warfare. It is this horrible occupation that turns some soldiers into killing machines and hate-mongers and racists. Their experiences tear them apart after they return to the US. Yet it is no surpise that more and more people are becoming suicide-bombers in Iraq when you realize that the war is so phychologically damaging not only to Iraqis but to US soldiers too.
Now, what are the good things you are talking about? I am not saying there aren't, but I don't know. I am willing to listen. All I learnt about is, while suicide attacks have decreased in some regions, there are some other negative effects of the 'surge.' For instance, the number of displaced Iraqis have dramatically increased.
Arslan
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Re: Iraqi Shiites and Sunnis now joining forces with U.S.
September 18, 2007 - 03:44 PM
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Obviously some people are still so much determined to mix between the policies of The US Administration and the general public of the United States. I will say it for the zillionth time:
The US foreign policy is despicable when it comes to its handling of the Middle Eastern affairs. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether the American people are "good or evil" in nature
This war has brought so much misery to the whole region and not just Iraq..and I assure you it will pave the way for more wars to come in the region. The world news today are speaking of a possible war against Iran..so embrace yourselves for another "crusade".
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Re: Iraqi Shiites and Sunnis now joining forces with U.S.
September 18, 2007 - 04:25 PM
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Hammodi wrote:
come on people. i'm getting the impression that some people hate america so much that they would rather see america fail in iraq than seeing a safe secure iraq on its way to healing its wounds.
obviously the war brought even more misery to iraq but why each time something good happens in iraq, u criticize it and twist it to make it look like a bad thing, do u want any good for iraqis or u just want us to keep cursing americans and things keep on getting worse so that u can have more proofs of how america is evil, would u just show more support for iraqi people.
Hi Hammodi,
Yes, what you say is very true. Many people on these boards don't want peace and stability in Iraq, if they did, they would want U.S. forces to stay in Iraq until Iraqi security forces can fight the insurgents, militas and terrorists on their own.
They do not consider the consequences of what will happen to your people if al-qaeda is not defeated and sectarian violence is reduced through political reconciliation. They ignore the fact that many, many more innocent Iraqis will die, because quite frankly, they don't care so long as U.S. fails in this mission.
I'm just telling it like it is.
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News!!!
September 18, 2007 - 05:56 PM
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Steve can read people's minds!
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Re: Iraqi Shiites and Sunnis now joining forces with U.S.
September 19, 2007 - 04:26 AM
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They do not consider the consequences of what will happen to your people if al-qaeda is not defeated and sectarian violence is reduced through political reconciliation. They ignore the fact that many, many more innocent Iraqis will die, because quite frankly, they don't care so long as U.S. fails in this mission.
but hammodi and stevew,
f u could just reply to following:
will a US withdrawal cause death of more than 1,000,000 iraqis [already killed in result of US occupation of iraq]?
what a "freedom" worth? [not a puppet and slave governement]
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Re: Iraqi Shiites and Sunnis now joining forces with U.S.
September 19, 2007 - 04:40 AM
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I think with Iraq's current situation there is plenty of blame to go around - Saddam, the US, Al Qaeda, Iran, Syria, Sadr, Malaki, The Kurds won't share the Oil in the north
I agree with luke that one party could not be blamed for the situation and destruction in Iraq. But the cause, nevertheless, has to be made known:
US, therfore, US is to blamed more than anybody else in iraq's game, because they started an illegal war, acusing iraq of WMD, nuclear weapons, etc. still nothing has been found.
so, i belive US should not reinforce its mistakes, and get out of iraq as soon as possible.
are doing a disservice to the Iraqis. If this government falls apart what will take its place - probably war.
US withdrawal could probably bring war, but US presence is definitely the cause of the war in iraq, so US must take a chance and get out. its better for iraq, world peace and USA.
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