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Why US supports Al-Qaeda !!!??
August 28, 2007 - 08:59 AM
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I would like to discuss about an enclosed issue " US Supports Al-Qaeda" .
From the article :
Hersh says the U.S. has been “pumping money, a great deal of money, without congressional authority, without any congressional oversight” for covert operations in the Middle East where it wants to “stop the Shiite spread or the Shiite influence.” Hersh says these funds have ended up in the hands of “three Sunni jihadist groups” who are “connected to al Qaeda” but “want to take on Hezbollah.”
Everyone thinks that US is helping Iraq and Afghanistan to get rid of terrorism by fighting the Al-Qaeda, but i think in nowadays world every single country takes an action for its Governmental necessities. and i am sure tat US is helping Al-Qaeda and related groups to continue the war and conflict in the most sunni muslim countries.
There are facts here in afghanistan which 100% proves tat US is involved in supporting Al-Qaeda to fight against the Afghan Government.
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Re: Why US supports Al-Qaeda !!!??
August 28, 2007 - 11:01 AM
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I am Confused    
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Re: Why US supports Al-Qaeda !!!??
August 28, 2007 - 09:17 PM
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I get what your saying and I've feared the same thing for quite some time. Unfortuntately I can't really have any answer to this problem; nothing is certain and whatever we claim, whether right or wrong, can be denied and rejected. I don't really know what's happening in Afghanistan; living in the US means that all I hear is IRAQ, IRAQ, IRAQ (I think it's a distraction from some other issues which I'll talk about later). What I really want to know are your experiences living in Afghanistan. I want to know so that I can have a better opinion on the matter; a more informed one. I've only ever been to Palestine, Jordan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia so I'm ignorant when it comes to your country.
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Re: Why US supports Al-Qaeda !!!??
August 28, 2007 - 10:46 PM
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the problem with the world veiw of America is that everyone assumes that all Americans know exactly (and approve of) everything that goes on in our government. at least from my experiance it seems that we are quite often kept in the dark about what is happening until it is over and sometimes forever. there have been CIA actions that i have heard of that disgust me, but by the time i hear of them, they have already been finished. what can we do?
i do believe that you have a slightly exagerated claim, but it wouldn't supprise me to find that some corrupt government officials are funding Al-Queda for their own agendas. things like this have happened before. if the report is accurate, though, i thinks it is probably just a few isolated incidences. also, there have been reports of terrorist organizations disguizing themselves as charities to get funding. could this report be related?
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Re: Why US supports Al-Qaeda !!!??
August 29, 2007 - 03:44 AM
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the things that I come to know is that right now, we need help from all over the world to counter, poverty, illiteracy, strong economy, provide a better living to 29 Millions afghans.
This can be only possible if we fallow what America wants us to fallow today! kill as many Muslims as you can no matter how much it cost because days passes people resonate and then forgetting it like tomorrow.
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Re: Why US supports Al-Qaeda !!!??
August 29, 2007 - 07:59 AM
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It all started when Al Qaeda was fighting against Russia because of the Muslim minority and Chechnya. Russia was USA's enemy so it was a good opportunity to find somebody who'd be fighting their own enemy without getting the USA involved. So they funded them with weapons.
I remember in Ramadan there was an Arabic series called "the road to Kabul" the USA forced the tv station to ban the series,simply because it was showing that the USA was funding and supporting Al Qaedda back in the 1980's.
Talk about "freedom of speech" huh!!
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Re: Why US supports Al-Qaeda !!!??
August 30, 2007 - 02:48 AM
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Romaica wrote:
It all started when Al Qaeda was fighting against Russia because of the Muslim minority and Chechnya. Russia was USA's enemy so it was a good opportunity to find somebody who'd be fighting their own enemy without getting the USA involved. So they funded them with weapons.
I remember in Ramadan there was an Arabic series called "the road to Kabul" the USA forced the tv station to ban the series,simply because it was showing that the USA was funding and supporting Al Qaedda back in the 1980's.
Talk about "freedom of speech" huh!! *
I would like to say the in war with Russia there was no Al-Qaeda Concept. Those fighters were callled freedom fighters. it is true that US was supporting the mujahidin to fight Russia coz US wanted Russia to be defeated. so as Russia was defeated US was impressed of the Mujahidin's pure and religious war and was afraid of establishment of a Strong Islamic Republic in Afganistan. so US started playing Games around with Pakistan and Afghanistan and hence was successfull to some extent.
US made Al-Qaeda and will remove it from its roots when ever it wants to do. and till the day Al-Qaeda exists there will be war and bloodshed in Muslim countries ( specially IRAQ, Afghanistan and Pakistan).
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Re: Why US supports Al-Qaeda !!!??
August 30, 2007 - 10:03 PM
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I thought it had something to do with the Cold War? As I recall, the reason the USA supported the Al-Qaeda then was that they were the agents or tools for combat without active engagement, i.e. darn good cheap mercenaries. The USA gave 'em guns, trained 'em, and let 'em loose.
It's ironic that they turned back on the hand that fed them once. That's what you get from fraternizing with the radicals to further selfish goals, if you ask me.
Argh, I'm a bit rusty.
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Re: Why US supports Al-Qaeda !!!??
August 31, 2007 - 07:35 AM
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i belive it's only matter of time now, let see what happens aftarwards....
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Re: Why US supports Al-Qaeda !!!??
August 31, 2007 - 01:19 PM
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I am not going to comment on the idea that the US is supporting AL Qaeda against the Afghani government - that is just absurd - the US put the current Kabul government in power.
Chibi - what Payab is saying about the war with Russia is to some extant true -
people tend to conflate Al Qaeda with the Mujahadeen - they were not interchangible.
the Afghan fighters were not jihadists, in fact in many cases they thought the actions of the "Arab Afghans" (ie Bin Laden's group) to be kind of absurd as they sought death - and to the average Afghan fighter the point of fighting was not to die but to defeat the Russians
The 'Arab Afghans' were not around for most of the real fighting - they hung out in Pakistan mostly and occasionally ventured actross the boarder for a bit of action, nor did they have the respect of the real Afghan warriors.
So basically - because the US supported the Mujahadeen does not mean that they supported Al Qaeda -
some who want to bash the US have tried to conflate the two groups.
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Re: Why US supports Al-Qaeda !!!??
September 1, 2007 - 01:17 AM
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Luke,
I think, those who claim that the US supported Al-Qaeda during 1980s are less far from the truth than what you are saying. You are completely ignoring the fact that, in choosing who to support, the CIA looked at the most reactionary and most fanatic of the Mujahideen. It needs to be reminded that it was these formerly-CIA-backed Mujahideen who invited Bin Laden in 1990s in the first place, not Taliban--the latter appeared later.
Moreover, the CIA facilitated the recruitment of about a hundred thousand warriors from forty Arab and Muslim countries to rally Jihad against the Soviet Union.
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Re: Why US supports Al-Qaeda !!!??
September 1, 2007 - 06:53 AM
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Arslanik wrote:
Luke,
I think, those who claim that the US supported Al-Qaeda during 1980s are less far from the truth than what you are saying. You are completely ignoring the fact that, in choosing who to support, the CIA looked at the most reactionary and most fanatic of the Mujahideen. It needs to be reminded that it was these formerly-CIA-backed Mujahideen who invited Bin Laden in 1990s in the first place, not Taliban--the latter appeared later.
Moreover, the CIA facilitated the recruitment of about a hundred thousand warriors from forty Arab and Muslim countries to rally Jihad against the Soviet Union.
Arslan
Well, was surfing around (criminal law, ugh) when I stumbled upon this. Apparently they're still at it.
US Aiding Al Qaeda Affiliated Group In Iran?
Pakistani Intel sources and Iranian parliament claims CIA aiding anti-Iranian militants
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Friday, April 6, 2007
A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005 according to Pakistani Intelligence and Iranian officials.
The United States is putting pressure on Iran by supporting anti-Iranian militants operating from the Pakistani border region, the speaker of Iran's parliament, Gholamali Haddadadel, said on Thursday, as reported by Reuters news agency.
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Re: Why US supports Al-Qaeda !!!??
September 2, 2007 - 09:55 AM
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luke wrote:
I am not going to comment on the idea that the US is supporting AL Qaeda against the Afghani government - that is just absurd - the US put the current Kabul government in power.
What kinda power is this Luke, The armed forces are trained for years and years in thier countries and when they get to the front line they ask the Newly trained Afghan Forces to attend the War on the front line. One of my friend who joined the Afghan Army has experienced this fact and he left the army last year...because he didnt find any thing truly anti-alqaeda or anti-terrorist in this War.
So can you insure me that US is supporting the afghan Government to get in power and have thier own authority. i dont think so..
The armed forces are just good at Bombarding the Civilians and then saying Sorry for the miss bombardment. ha
Secondly, just read this Statement carefully .
" NATO said that They will use small or lite weapons againts the Taliban and alqaeda to decrease the Civilian casualities". so is this wat they should do...it means that they will bombard more civilians coz thier weapons are now smaller or lite damaging. ha
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Re: Why US supports Al-Qaeda !!!??
September 10, 2007 - 04:09 AM
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the US put the current Kabul government in power.
oh, means afghan government is a puppet government.
many people claim that its an elected governement. but...
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