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Your Views Abt Alqaeda's Strategy
July 10, 2007 - 02:49 AM
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If there was no alqaeda then who will fight against the enemies of islam, who would carry out Jehad in Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan,, Alqaeda has not attacked and conquered any Country, but they r defending muslims,, this is another point that there are some things in misconceptions of Muslim ummah that Alqaeda are doing beyond the limits, for instance Suicide bombing in an area where beside killing one or two soldiers many other innocent people are also killed, which we muslims feels not good whether those innocent peopel are muslims or non-muslims,, but u see that these crusaders kills our innocent people, our families, our brothers and sisters,, have u heared in a recent time that muslims have done such a mass killing of non-muslims.. exepct spys, intellegence officers, and official worker whom are also warned to leave our countries but they still live in our muslim countires just to help United states (the killer of humanity). And we are not fond of killing people, or creating problem, we have lives, familes, sisters and brothers,, we also want to have a good life. but Westerns think that life is just for them ,, and they are acting wild just to get the oil, the wealth of Msulim Countries,, its fact, reality,, so my dears try to understand this reality,,the said things are my ideas and views. And i apologize if some one is hurted with the sayings,,This thread is just started to know ur views, Please try to be Objective.
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Re: Your Views Abt Alqaeda's Strategy
July 10, 2007 - 09:03 PM
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Let's see Jalalzaid,
Terrorism is okay? Killing innocent men, women and children is okay with you? Alqaeda is performing a needed role as martyrs for Islam? Is that what you are saying?
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Re: Your Views Abt Alqaeda's Strategy
July 11, 2007 - 01:54 AM
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No i dont mean that killing innocent people is ok with me,, but Westerns always claim muslims as terrorists,, why they dont blame them selves for killing alot of innocent people,, i agree alqaeda is not doing good from some aspects,, but we muslim also have the right to defend ourself,, just as US says that deserve to defend them selves,, and they do this by attacking countries,,
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July 11, 2007 - 06:00 AM
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Let me see if I understand you. Flying airplanes full of innocent men, women and children into city buildings, killing 3000 civilians is how one defends oneself?
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Re: Your Views Abt Alqaeda's Strategy
July 12, 2007 - 01:08 AM
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Actually the thread i have started is in response to the the thread (why Muslims Do not protest Against ALqaeda),, i never consider the happening of 11 sptember a legal act,, although i am upset for that,, And what ever i am saying is related to the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan.. like in iraq at first there was no Alqeada,, and after attaking there by US, The people ran for battle, and Americans have nothing to do just to call their freedom struggle with the name of Terrorism and Alqaeda. And one thing else i want to make it clear.. befor there was no concept of Alqaeda, this name (alqaeda) is given by US or Western Media,, they have never used this name,, u might be familiar with the names they use like (Ansar ul Muslimeen), (Jaish ul Muslimeen), (Ikhwanul Muslimeen).
And another purpose of my discussion is that why every freedom struggle is called terrorism,, suppose if some one attacks your country, wont u fight to defend ur country. Same is the case in Iraq and Palestine.
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Re: Your Views Abt Alqaeda's Strategy
July 13, 2007 - 04:34 AM
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Jalalzai, let's look at this war of defense you say Alqaeda is fighting:
August 30, 1995 - President Clinton leads NATO bombing attacks on Serbian positions in Bosnia and surrounding Sarajevo, finally breaking the Serbian siege of the Muslim city. Croat and Muslim forces were able to win back half of Bosnia by November.
Nov. 13, 1995 - A car-bomb in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills seven people, five of them American military and civilian advisers for National Guard training. The "Tigers of the Gulf," "Islamist Movement for Change," and "Fighting Advocates of God" claim responsibility.
June 25, 1996 - A bomb aboard a fuel truck explodes outside a U.S. air force installation in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. 19 U.S. military personnel are killed in the Khubar Towers housing facility, and 515 are wounded, including 240 Americans.
Aug. 7, 1998 - Terrorist bombs destroy the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. In Nairobi, 12 Americans are among the 291 killed, and over 5,000 are wounded, including 6 Americans. In Dar es Salaam, one U.S. citizen is wounded among the 10 killed and 77 injured.
March 24, 1999 - President Clinton begins bombing Serbia for its "ethnic cleansing" campaign in its predominantly Muslim Kosovo region. The bombing campaign lasts until June 11, when Serbian forces aggree to vacate Kosovo.
Oct. 12, 2000 - A terrorist bomb damages the destroyer USS Cole in the port of Aden, Yemen, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39.
September 11, 2001 - Terrorists hijack four U.S. commercial airliners in a coordinated suicide attack. The airplanes crash into the World Trade Center in New York City and the Pentagon in Washington, DC. Nearly 3,300 persons were killed in these attacks. Citizens of 78 countries perished at the World Trade Center site.
Jalalzai, it seems to me Osama Bin Ladin and his Alqaeda have been waging a war on the United States, while the United States was trying to help Muslim peoples in Bosnia and Kosovo. Now Osama has succeeded in his aim of creating animosity between the United States and the Muslim world.
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Re: Your Views Abt Alqaeda's Strategy
July 13, 2007 - 03:01 PM
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Al-qaeda are cowards, they won't engage in traditional warfare, they sneak into crowed places among unarmed, innocent civilians and blow themselves up. This will never defeat a major western power such as the US. al-qaeda knows this by can't accept it, so they target the innocent and the unarmed.
Their so-called 'jihad' will fail just like Hitler's 1000 year reich. Actaully, it is already failing, many Muslims are turning against al-qaeda because they know that al-qaeda are terrorists, and hurt the interested of the international muslims community and the Islamic faith more than they hurt anybody else.
If mohammed was alive today to see what al-qaeda has done to islam,he would be ashamed that al-qaeda fights in his name and allah.
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Re: Your Views Abt Alqaeda's Strategy
July 13, 2007 - 04:30 PM
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Steve, I'm not sure they are the one who are the cowards. They aren't the ones who sit behind Marble desks on the telephone with someone who's controlling a robot to drop a bomb on some people from a far distance.
If you call the "enemy" cowards, then you don't know anything about them. They have a belief, and they have a cause, and they aren't stupid.
What would happen if they fought the same way the West does. Do you think they would stand a chance of winning? Absolutely not, so why would they do it?
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Re: Your Views Abt Alqaeda's Strategy
July 14, 2007 - 01:03 AM
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Murdering innocent men, women and children as terrorists do, no matter what their motivation, is always cowardly.
Similar to this, firing on your enemy when you are using innocent civilians as "shields" is also cowardly.
Deaths among civilians resulting from being used as "shields", while regrettable, are not the responsibility of the combatant firing on them, but rather the responsibility of the people hiding behind them.
Alqaeda's strategy, no matter what the motivation, is cowardly and indefensible.
A courageous strategy would be peaceful resistance like Gandhi or Martin Luther King practiced.
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Re: Your Views Abt Alqaeda's Strategy
July 14, 2007 - 10:52 AM
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Al-qaeda has a cause alright, to kill as many unarmed, innocent civilians as possible...that's cowardly.
Western powers go after armed militants and terrorists and try to protect innocent, unarmed civilians like they are now in Iraq and Afganistan.
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Re: Your Views Abt Alqaeda's Strategy
July 14, 2007 - 12:55 PM
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I was going to sit this debate out because frankly I thought it unworthy of comment -
but when I see kid from Canada, who clearly mistakes apologizing for Al Qaeda for intelligence and intellectual honesty - I have to step in.
firstly Jalalie - You talk about Al Qaeda being a defensive organization - and the US of being "killers of humanity"
Answer me this - was the US in your country - in Afghanistan, before 9/11? Were we bothering you?
Didn't we support your fight to push the Soviets out of Afghanistan?
what thanks did we get for the help that we gave your Mujahadeen when they fought the Russians?
Was is a "defensive" action when Al Qaeda savagely attacked the most historic city in the United States?
What do you expect us to do? Nothing?
Of course we are going to react, of course we are going to go into your country and revenge ourselves on the terrorists who killed 4000 innocent people for no reason.
what was the reason Jalalie? Why did they attack us?
are you really so foolish that you cannot see that Al Qaeda BROUGHT the US into Afghanistan.
before 9/11 no one in the US cared at all about your country - most people did not even know where it is.
if Al Qaeda cared about Afghanistan they would not have challenged the worlds strongest army to fight them there.
they were clearly provoking a war - and they got one.
If they keep attacking the US - there will be troops in your country for the rest of your life - count on it.
As to my Canadian friend - I suppose a serial killer is also "brave" when he sticks a knife in a woman, as opposed to a sniper who shoots them at long range.
if they had courage, they would have morals - the two go hand in hand.
hitting below the belt, fighting without honor - is the definition of cowardice.
those bombers last week in London - who fill a car with nails and gasoline - that is your idea of courage?
Suicide attacks are not acts of bravery either - because they mean that the killer does not have to live with the consequences of his actions -
suicide is always an act of cowardice by those who cannot face life.
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Re: Your Views Abt Alqaeda's Strategy
July 14, 2007 - 05:28 PM
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stevew wrote:
Al-qaeda has a cause alright, to kill as many unarmed, innocent civilians as possible...that's cowardly.
Western powers go after armed militants and terrorists and try to protect innocent, unarmed civilians like they are now in Iraq and Afganistan.
But see that's where you're completely wrong, and that's the problem. You think their cause is to kill people. It's really not. Do you know much about their religion, or culture, or political stances? Their way about going about things is disgusting, but I also find it sad that this is how you view the situation.
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July 14, 2007 - 05:37 PM
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luke wrote:
I was going to sit this debate out because frankly I thought it unworthy of comment -
but when I see kid from Canada, who clearly mistakes apologizing for Al Qaeda for intelligence and intellectual honesty - I have to step in.
As to my Canadian friend - I suppose a serial killer is also "brave" when he sticks a knife in a woman, as opposed to a sniper who shoots them at long range.
if they had courage, they would have morals - the two go hand in hand.
hitting below the belt, fighting without honor - is the definition of cowardice.
those bombers last week in London - who fill a car with nails and gasoline - that is your idea of courage?
Suicide attacks are not acts of bravery either - because they mean that the killer does not have to live with the consequences of his actions -
suicide is always an act of cowardice by those who cannot face life.
lol, Luke. Unworthy of your comment? Yes sire, thank you for taking the time out of your busy day to enlighten us with your wisdom. Hehe, who are you, anyways? Kid from Canada? You know how many kids there are in Canada? Relax bud, there's no need to get up on your high horse 
I'm unsure about this: "who clearly mistakes apologizing for Al Qaeda for intelligence and intellectual honesty". I don't think I clearly did anything because I don't even know what you are tlaking about. Can you explain yourself, please?
Why would a serial killer be brave when he stabs someone? I don't understand the connection you are giving to the two situations. Can you please explain yourself again? Did I say that Alquaeda was brave? Did I give any positive connotations to their actions?
See courage and morals may go hand in hand, but what you call morals may not be what another person calls morals. This is what you need to learn because you can only respect the situation if you understand both sides of the argument.
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July 14, 2007 - 05:38 PM
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Again, you talk about fighting below the belt, without honour etc. Let me give you a scenario. A group of 5 people are raping someone you love, however you are only one man. Do you fight fair? Or do you fight dirty? You're going to be desperate, correct? Do not talk about honour when it comes to war because war is war. It's about winning. Not all countries recognize international laws about war...obviously.
Again, you are being ridiculous (to the point of even humourous). You are putting so many words in my mouth, how do you expect me to debate with you? Calling the pepole who bomb other places couragous? Where the hell are you getting this from, buddy? Again, bravery, courage...where are you coming up with these things? Please respond. I'll send you a PM just in case too, because I'm just really curious.
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July 14, 2007 - 09:12 PM
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Actually - I am on vacation this weekend - thats why I am commenting - I never expected this be an actul debte -
whether or not Al Qaeda is either justified or rightous is not a subject I think deserves serious thought -
they are neither justified nor rightous - period - as to who would carry out the jihad - peferbly nobody - cause then we could all go home.
As to their goals - targeting civilians is their method - not an end unto itself - but their gols are equally disgusting - they want their brand of extreme religion to dominate the entire world.
they want Sharia law not just in he Middle east - but eventually in Europe.
And in order for their ideology to be globlly dominant - they feel they must destroy and overthrow country which is currently dominant - namely the US
"are you, anyways? Kid from Canada? You know how many kids there are in Canada?"
Name's Luke - and yes I know plenty of Canadians - dated a few actually.
As to what you said - that Al Qaeda were not cowards, and that they are only sensible to fight using the tactics they currently employ - that is what you said.
"Do you fight fair? Or do you fight dirty? You're going to be desperate, correct?"
Clearly I am not putting words in your mouth - you are an apologist for Al Qaeda - that is what you are doing right there - rationalizing their methods.
"Why would a serial killer be brave when he stabs someone? I don't understand the connection you are giving to the two situations."
Well you suggested that Al Qaeda is couragous because they are not the ones striking with long range weapons - like they guys behind the "mable desks" you alluded to -
so I compared it to two killers one who uses a sniper rifle and theo ther who gets up close.
The fact that they (thankfully) do not have missils does not change the fact that they are sick maniacs.
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