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we dont negotioate with terrorists
June 24, 2007 - 12:09 PM
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The U.S. has a policy of "we dont negotiate with terrorists" but it seems to me that it is more like "we won't discuss anything with terrorists. how can we win a war with people who belive that they are right if we refuse to discuss anything with them? how will we ever convince them to re-think their veiws and maybe see our side of things?
we cannot simply kill or capture all of the terrorists because every man killed leaves a newly angry family and friends who are likely to want revenge and maybe turn terrorist themselves.
does anyone else have this openion? What are some better policies we could try? how can we end this war with as few deaths and as great an outcome as is possible?
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Re: we dont negotioate with terrorists
June 24, 2007 - 12:14 PM
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oops. i just realized that i posted this in the wrong area. can someone move it to "peace, governance, conflict" for me? I dont know how to. sorry.
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Re: we dont negotioate with terrorists
June 24, 2007 - 04:38 PM
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There are some militant movements that can be enguaged - but in dealing with hard core terrorists there is nothing to be gained by talking.
it is a neccisarry policy - if you legitimize their tactics by rewarding them - you are only encouraging further use of the tactics.
if kidnapping for instance leads to concessions - then obviously the terrorist should kidnap more in order to extract further concessions.
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Re: we dont negotioate with terrorists
June 24, 2007 - 09:42 PM
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But what if we were willing to talk before anyone gets kidnapped? I know it won't solve every conflict but it couldnt hurt. The policy we have right now sure isn't working.
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Re: we dont negotioate with terrorists
June 25, 2007 - 03:50 AM
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i believe and always stressed on the point the negotiations can solve the issues in a good manner than war or using force, by negotiation one can differentiate between a misunderstanding and intentional problem_creation, it then becomes easy to deal with each issue according to its nature.
USA (proud of the power and courageous to use it everywhere) starts with war and then when engaged and resisted starts negotiations. that could not sovle the problem,
so i agree with u that negotiations are the best way to sovle the problems
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Re: we dont negotioate with terrorists
June 25, 2007 - 06:01 AM
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This thread is being moved to "Peace, Conflict and Governance" Board
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Re: we dont negotioate with terrorists
June 25, 2007 - 06:21 PM
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thanks! 
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Re: we dont negotioate with terrorists
June 29, 2007 - 10:39 AM
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Negotiation works when there is a political or other will to come to terms with the other party(ies), even though that will might be hindered by many circumstances.
If we consider hardcore radicals, I dont think there is any sense of negotiation, because their objective is very clear and there is no room for negotiations in their vision. They have a task to accomplsih and they will do it unless someone stops them.
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Re: we dont negotioate with terrorists
June 29, 2007 - 04:39 PM
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I agree with Hayk - some of the less radical organizations like Shin Finn and ETA - there is room for negitiations -
but Terrorist organizations who are enguaged in Zero Sum Games - like Al Qaeda - who for instance want to destroy America and convert the West to Islam, and overthrow every secular Arab government -
Jenny what do you think there is to talk about? What do you imagine can be gained through dialogue with people who are willing to strap bombs to themselves and whose goal is to kill you.
Are you willing to convert to Islam in order to placate them? Are you willing to abandon all support for Egypt, Jordan, Turkey and Israel?
We can agree that US foreign policy, especially of late, has been abominable - but remeber Bin Laden wanted to kill every American he could BEFORE 9/11.
there is also the issue of someone like a Hamas - Fatah tried dialogue and negotiation - they went to Mecca and agreed to a unity govenrment -
Hamas only used negotiations to bide time - as their violent takeover of Gaza demonstraited - Terrorist organizations cannot be trusted to keep their word.
They are fanatically dedicated to their goals - they have no intention of compromise, as compromise means defeat to a fanatic -
therefore we must negotiate with the more reasonable elements, and adjust our foreign policy to a less antagonistic stance toward the muslim world -
but there is no use in attempting to negotiate with hardcore terrorists - either before or after their actions -
If someone beleives it is their religious obligation to murder you - then the only solution is to kill them first.
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Re: we dont negotioate with terrorists
June 29, 2007 - 05:09 PM
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I agree with Hayk - some of the less radical organizations like Shin Finn and ETA - there is room for negitiations -
but Terrorist organizations who are enguaged in Zero Sum Games - like Al Qaeda - who for instance want to destroy America and convert the West to Islam, and overthrow every secular Arab government -
Jenny what do you think there is to talk about? What do you imagine can be gained through dialogue with people who are willing to strap bombs to themselves and whose goal is to kill you.
Are you willing to convert to Islam in order to placate them? Are you willing to abandon all support for Egypt, Jordan, Turkey and Israel?
We can agree that US foreign policy, especially of late, has been abominable - but remeber Bin Laden wanted to kill every American he could BEFORE 9/11.
there is also the issue of someone like a Hamas - Fatah tried dialogue and negotiation - they went to Mecca and agreed to a unity govenrment -
Hamas only used negotiations to bide time - as their violent takeover of Gaza demonstraited - Terrorist organizations cannot be trusted to keep their word.
They are fanatically dedicated to their goals - they have no intention of compromise, as compromise means defeat to a fanatic -
therefore we must negotiate with the more reasonable elements, and adjust our foreign policy to a less antagonistic stance toward the muslim world -
but there is no use in attempting to negotiate with hardcore terrorists - either before or after their actions -
If someone beleives it is their religious obligation to murder you - then the only solution is to kill them first.
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Re: we dont negotioate with terrorists
July 7, 2007 - 08:52 PM
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isn't it worth a try? out of all of these people, do you think that none have a mind of their own, the ability to see the other side if they can get away from the propaganda long enough for a conversation with "the enemy"? i just read a story of a man who was slowly being won over by propaganda and had even come to believe that suicide bombers were noble, but once he got away from the people feeding him twisted religion, he realized how wrong everything was and totally renounced everything. the story was in Readers Digest not too long ago.
my point is, not everyone is a lost cause. if we can show people the other side, can't we stop some of this?
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Re: we dont negotioate with terrorists
July 22, 2007 - 02:12 PM
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luke wrote:
I agree with Hayk - some of the less radical organizations like Shin Finn and ETA - there is room for negitiations -
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a major problem arises. it is that one considers the organizations terrorist as being criminal whereas in fact the United States constitutes the large criminal and terrorist of the world. everyone agrees that alqaeda keep silent people but why: to convert the west with Islam hhhhhhh. nothing to see with reality. the United States attacks all those which can block these interests and the jugents as being terrorist when they want. has those which attack hamas. hamas is democratically selected by the people palestinier under the occupation of the Jews with the assistance of the United States then how it is wanted that you agree with them. hamas méne its war counters a colonizer. And for those which speak about negotiations: nothing is free, one will see what will gain the fath with the United States.
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Re: we dont negotioate with terrorists
July 25, 2007 - 01:02 PM
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i'm afraid those who make the decisions in my country are a bit dumb, not intentionally cruel and evil. Yes, the U.S. has made some very stupid decisions and created wars that weren't necessary and attacked places that were later discovered to be no threat, but all of America is not behind these decisions and at the time, the ones the American Public was aware of seemed necessary. but, whether it was right or wrong in the first place, America is currently fighting a "War on Terror" and we must determine the best course of action. i have offered my openion, what is yours? i think that many "terrorists" see themselves as freedom fighters, for we have invaded their country and they feel threatened. For those of you who have watched "Red Dawn", doesn't it seem like maybe they feel like the Americans in that movie? until we can discuss our reasoning, that we're not here to stay, that were trying to help them, that were not trying to take advantage of their country, we will have a hard time ending this war, because right now we look like "the bad guys"
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Re: we dont negotioate with terrorists
July 25, 2007 - 01:10 PM
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and remember, even Bin Boy wanted to have a discussion with the U.S. but we refused. he had no captives or hidden bombs he was trying to use for leverage at the time so we weren't being threatened into talking with him. what would it have hurt to hear his side and tell ours? maybe we could have made him understand and ended his hatred of us.
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Re: we dont negotioate with terrorists
July 25, 2007 - 01:14 PM
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No one likes to be told what to do and how to act. Especially from a foreigner.
But it is true and unfortunate that in certain circumstances, those in power have not made the descisions most wanted by the educated public.
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