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Re: Mcdonald's Food
December 13, 2003 - 09:13 AM
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Those are some interesting points, particulary how marketing strategy consciously directs McDonald's practices and locations. McDonald's is just too successful; bad for our health, but damn good at selling their product. Every business has profit motivations behind marketing. If McDonald's can benefit children while selling them their product (which I think is appropriate and acceptable) then at least they're benefiting children through their success.
At it's core, this seems to be an issue of whether human-interest legislation should adversely affect business - in the realm of what's reasonable.
It would be good for those impoverished undercutting their health by regularly eating out, but would penalize corporations for nothing short of fair and successful business practices. At it's extreme, I think the precedent that positive legislation barring McDonald's from exploiting the poor (who, for a number of reasons, remain inclined to eat their food, would essentially undercut and destabilize our economic system.
Maybe it needs change, but doing the sensible and preventing McDonald's from indirectly perpetuating ill-health, obesity and poverty in poorer areas fundamentally shakes our market system and just doesn't jive with capitalism.
I hope that made sense and I was able to get my point across. My writing isn't very clear.
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Politics of Food - Fast Food Ethnic Cleaning
December 13, 2003 - 09:15 AM
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thank you Mike for raising up an issue that i was unawared of . In the community i am living right now in Canada, there are quite a strong social awareness toward food, health and environment issues. Many students on my campus are actually very activist oriented. We even have a student run cafeteria that serve veggie food. But after a while, people still coming back to shitty Aramak for a very simple reason : $$.
its ironic that while GDP keeps going up, people's living standard keeps going down. I am wondering what form of resistance people in poor communities with low income could do toward this Fast Food Ethnic Cleansing? Should they started food self -efficiency or what? If not easting these cheap unhealthy corporated food, then what else can they eat with that little money? What are the options for them? Being a veggie in North America, as far as i see but i can be wrong, is costly!!Being healthy consciously is even much more expensive.
I also just bumped into an article titled "Racism, food and health" by John robbins on the [url]http://www.foodrevolution.org/racismfoodhealth.htm[url] Its quite interesting :
some parts of it :
Statistically, people of color have less formal education and less access to many kinds of resources, and are therefore more vulnerable to the manipulations of junk food advertising. Children of color are disproportionately the latchkey kids who watch an average of 32 hours of television a week during which they are bombarded by ads for sugar-laden greasy foods. Neighborhoods of color are full of billboards for tobacco, alcohol, and the least healthy of foods. Fresh fruits and vegetables, organic foods, and whole grains are difficult (if not impossible) to find; instead there are convenience stores and fast food chains with their greasy "bargains." Meanwhile, women of color are about 50 percent more likely to be obese than their white counterparts.
The diets of people of color are typically higher in sugar, salt, fat, and refined carbohydrates. Lacking access to healthier foods, and also lacking knowledge about what diets are in fact healthier, the poor are easy prey, not only to the tobacco and alcohol sellers whose billboards pervade their neighborhoods, but to the junk food industry and the fast food chains who see these communities as markets they can readily exploit.
Government policies that permit these conditions to exist take a disproportionate toll on people of color. By the same token, policies that confront these conditions would make a real difference. Public policies could tax junk food and use the revenue to subsidize fresh fruits and vegetables. Ads promoting unhealthy products could be banned. White bread could be taxed and the resultant income used to subsidize whole wheat bread, thus making it cheaper to eat more healthfully. Government policies could get junk food out of schools, and foods high in sugar and unhealthy fats could be taxed to generate funds for nutritional education. Schoool districts could ban sugary drinks and candy in vending machines (it's been done by the 54,000 student Oakland, California school district).
There is so much public agencies could do if they were serious about the health of people of color. Fast good chains and junk food companies could be held accountable for their role in causing malnutrition and disease. Food guides could feature traditional ethnic foods, rather than displaying the products sold by fast food corporations. For example, the bread and cereal group might include grits, macaroni, tortillas, corn bread, biscuits, hominy, or brown rice. The vegetable group could include greens, turnips, succotash, sweet potatoes, coleslaw, and okra.
Bad public policies and bad nutritional advice harms everyone, but some groups are more vulnerable, and hence more badly damaged. It is children of color who most often depend on the National School Lunch program for their only substantial daily meal. They are the ones most harmed when 90 percent of the three to four billion dollars the USDA spends on the program is used to buy ground pork, ground beef, whole milk, high-fat and high-salt cheeses, and eggs.
People of color suffer disproportionately from the epidemics (heart disease, hypertension, obesity, diabetes, and cancer) that are fueled by excess meat consumption. They are the ones most harmed when the Food Pyramid continues to push frequent meat consumption.
The cancer incidence among African-Americans compared to whites in the United States is 26 percent greater.
The prostate cancer rate among African-Americans compared to whites in the United States is 36 percent greater.
The lung cancer incidence among African-Americans compared to whites in the United States is 53 percent greater.
The likelihood of an African-American woman dying of breast cancer compared to her Caucasian counterpart is 67 percent greater.
The hypertension (high blood pressure) rate among African-Americans compared to whites in the United States is 40 percent greater.
The heart disease rate for Hispanic women compared to white women in the United States is double.
The incidence of obesity among African-American and Mexican-American women compared to white women in the United States is 45 percent greater.
The diabetes incidence among Hispanic men compared to white men in the United States is 53 percent greater.
The diabetes incidence among African-American men compared to white men in the United States is 69 percent greater.
The diabetes incidence among African-American women compared to white women in the United States is more than double.
The diabetes incidence among Native American women compared to white women in the United States is more than triple.
Healthy lifestyles, including eating healthy foods and getting regular exercise, can significantly help to prevent, reverse and control these diseases. Studies have shown that people eating plant-based diets have far lower rates of heart disease, cancer, hypertension, obesity and diabetes than do meat-eaters. But current government policies are indifferent to the reality that non-Caucasian persons are suffering disproportionately from diseases caused by the standard American diet.
The federal Dietary Guidelines for Americans purport to provide nutritional advice to keep Americans healthy. Though ostensibly written for all Americans, the guidelines ignore the unique health needs and traditional food customs of African Americans and other racial minorities.
The federal government currently recommends that all U.S. children drink milk every day - including the 70 percent of African Americans, 95 percent of Native Americans, 60 percent of Hispanic Americans, and 90 percent of Asian-Americans who are lactose intolerant.
Federal guidelines continue to advocate dairy products as the primary source of calcium, ignoring the fact that most people of color experience nausea, intestinal gas, bloating, abdominal cramps and diarrhea when they eat milk, cheese, or other dairy products. Current USDA dietary guidelines tell all Americans they should eat two to three servings of dairy products every day. This benefits the dairy industry, but it is an injustice to people of color, who are not told that there are many other foods (including green leafy vegetables, soy milk, and tofu) that are excellent sources of calcium. These calcium-rich non-dairy foods are high in many other nutrients as well, and do not contain the cholesterol, sodium, and animal proteins that can hinder calcium absorption.
Ironically, traditional African-American soul food includes many foods that are high in calcium and whose calcium is far more bioavailable than dairy products. Yet these foods - which include greens such as collard greens, kale, mustard greens, and turnip greens - are not portrayed in the government food pyramid.
On March 8, 1999, the nonprofit Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine formally launched a push to rid U.S. government diet guidelines of such racial biases. One of the organization's physicians, Milton Mills, M.D., stated: "Although unintentional, the U.S. Dietary Guidelines as they exist are really a fundamental form of institutionalized racism in a rather destructive and insidious format." Letters of support were presented from the Congressional Black Caucus, former Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders, M.D., Martin Luther King III, Jesse Jackson, Jr., Muhammad Ali, Pulitzer Prize winning author Alice Walker, the National Hispanic Medical Association, and many others.
Seeking to remedy the USDA's unintentional racial bias, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine said: "Although the majority of African, Hispanic, Native, and Asian Americans are lactose intolerant, federal policy recommends that all Americans over the age of two should have dairy products every day. Despite the fact that minorities have higher rates of hypertension, diabetes, and prostate cancer than Caucasians, federal food policy does not promote diets low enough in fat and rich enough in plant products to help reduce their risk of these conditions."
Federal food policies that supported a whole foods plant-based diet would enhance the health of nearly everyone in the United States, but such policies would be of particular value to those people who are suffering the most grievously under current food policies - people of color. Just as the inequalities of the criminal justice system are allowed to exist when the mainstream white community looks the other way, so does indifference on the part of well meaning whites permit policies and attitudes to prevail that continually and unfairly undermine the health of people of color.
The United States has long been a multi-ethnic "melting pot" of different races, and has undergone racial change throughout its history - but never before at a pace and manner such as today. Within the next fifty years, whites as a share of the total population are expected to decline from 75 percent to under 50 percent. In many localities already, so-called minorities are now in the majority. Few things are more important today than that we wake up together to the negative consequences of the injustice and racial disparities which still pervade our society, and be willing to take individual as well as collective action to bring our lives and our country closer to our ideals of equality and justice.
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Re: Mcdonald's Food
December 13, 2003 - 10:11 AM
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Lan Anh - thank you very much for that. I have a few things to add.
It's curious how this racism of fast food also serves the interest of the affluent, dominant class - middle to upper class caucasian Americans. Politically and economically, there are few incentives for lawmakers to change the status-quo - this is even more a root of the problem.
It should also be known that the Dairy industy is one of the largest and most powerful lobby groups influencing Washington. There's actually a controversy surrounding the healthiness of drinking milk, but you'd never hear of that from mainstream sources. This is seriously worth looking into.
Apparantly the Monsanto (major milk and food company) research affirming the healthiness and normalcy of added bovine growth hormones to Milk (to cows, to stimulate greater milk production - which in turn is passed on into milk for our consumption) is mired in controversy. Facts weren't reported properly, citations were improper (even made up in some cases) and the impact of such hormones on humans, especially developing infacts was grossly underexaggerated - not even reported. It also adds to the conspiracy that former Monsanto scientists had just prior accepted high profile posts within the FDA, and mandated with reviewing Monsanto's research and concluding on it's scientific merit.
I'm not making this up and if you're an avid milk drinker concerned about your health and body, you should consider looking into this. http://www.notmilk.com/ is one starting point, but it's difficult to navigate and not professional seeming. As always, you should remain skeptical of individual claims and evaluate a broad collection of research and views before coming to your own conclusions. There is a small wealth of reputable scientific work on the topic of milk and its health controversy.
I bought a book for a friend as a joke a few years ago - "Milk: The Deadly Poison" - because it had a rediculous image on its front. Curiously, I read a bit. I read some more, and it's honestly a meticulously researched piece of work. It will dispell many doubts and concerns you have.
Here is the book and some people's reviews:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0965919609/ref=cm_rev_all_1/002-1796933-7399265?v=glance&s=books&vi=customer-reviews
Some sceintific research, written by the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine:
http://www.pcrm.org/health/Info_on_Veg_Diets/milk.html
Ethical concerns with drinking milk, from PETA:
http://www.milksucks.com/index2.html
Sorry for that side note, but take notice and spread the wurd.
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Re: Mcdonald's Food
December 14, 2003 - 03:27 AM
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When Mcdonalds first opened in Egypt,Maybe 10 years ago or something I was at school then it was a phenomenon..People were just rushing into Mcdonalds,it was kinda new thing ( in Egypt),Maybe even people never asked themselves wether it's tasty or not..
Actually,Now Mcdonalds is just around each corner in Cairo and I just have the feeling that I will wake up someday and found a new branch of Mcdonalds in my own home...
I don't like it at all,I don't find it tasty at all and ofcourse adding to that the terrible stomach pain I get everytime I eat there...
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Re: Mcdonald's Food
January 7, 2004 - 03:33 AM
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whats the differenence between michael jakson and mc donalds?
they stick their meat between little kids buns MEANING mcdonalds is gay
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Re: Mcdonald's Food
January 9, 2004 - 06:46 AM
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hey lets not ruin mcd now...mcd is almost on there 100th year...and they are gonna celebrate the 100th year of mcd in buisness..so why not give an appaulse for them..mcd had been around since 1937...and will celbrate in 2007 for the 100th year
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January 11, 2004 - 09:14 AM
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who the fuck cares?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!
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Re: Mcdonald's Food
March 3, 2009 - 03:43 PM
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Mcdonalds is the grossest thing ever.
like really hasnt anyone watched Super Size Me? like its a documentary about Mcdonalds and what it does.
and that creepy clown does look like a pervert!!!
No one oviously cares about the nasty food because there still is millions of Mcdonalds locations 
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Re: Mcdonald's Food
March 9, 2009 - 07:41 AM
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I think that discussion on Mcdonald's food is one way of reflecting on our own eating habits. Fast food has been a part of our life I think. There are so many things apart from the Mcdonalds burgers that have existed in India even before Burgers and French Fries arrived here, according to me. If you eat the spicy Samosa, Tikkis, Pakoras, Vada pao.....the list goes on. All of these are not very good for health. But we still eat them because of taste and because they are so easily available in the neighbourhood shops.
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Re: Mcdonald's Food
March 22, 2009 - 04:15 PM
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I have seen the film supersize me and it had a lasting impact on me.
Onestly - I still go to Mc Donalds (like 5 times a year, like bevor and after I have seen the film), but i changed the way of eating. I eat a lot more vegetables and fruits.
I think that this is very important. You can go to Mc Donalds to eat a burger or a wrap ecc , but not every day. From time to time it is okay...
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Re: Mcdonald's Food
April 9, 2009 - 12:35 PM
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McDonalds is apart of a huge trans-national empire. They are a teritiary service whose job it it to provide food services for its consumers.
As a conscious viewer of the media, advetisements, etc, I believe that we should be able to intake what we want in reasonable portions. But as well, we should realize the dangers of not doing so.
I personally consume fast food about twice+ a week. But I make sure to balance that off by eating healthy things at home. Its somewhat of a guilty pleasure but one can always hope for the future.
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April 27, 2009 - 05:45 AM
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McDonalds food is pretty unhealthy and I stopped eating McDonalds for months after I saw Supersize Me. After a few months though, I ended up going there again, and I guess once in awhile isn't too bad. As long as you realize its unhealthy and you don't become addicted.
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Re: Mcdonald's Food
May 5, 2009 - 03:52 AM
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praveen789 wrote:
You are right. Mc Donalds is sickening because first of all people that are vegetarians can't eat french fries because the people who make it now uses cow oil and not normal oil.
This is making me laugh. I don't think cow oil exists. You can't press cows and get oil from them. lol. I think you mean cow fat.
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May 9, 2009 - 03:40 AM
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I think McDonalds is fine in moderation.
At least in New Zealand I know that they have localised, getting their food from nearby as much as possible to keep it fresh. they don't use burger warming stands and they cook their food in Vegetable Oil.
It is still food that shouldn't be eaten frequently, but once in a while when you want a quick feed or to go out with friends it isn't too bad
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June 25, 2009 - 03:49 AM
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I tend to go to McDonalds to eat as more of a social thing than to just eat by myself.
But it makes me feel defeated sometimes whenever I use a 'buy 1 get one free' coupon, knowing that I shouldn't be doubling my serving of food that has a lot of fat and sodium. 
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