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Iraq officials to push for U.S. support
May 11, 2007 - 10:25 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070511/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq
"With the clock ticking, Saleh — a Kurdish politician highly regarded by U.S. officials and who speaks impeccable English — said he came to Capitol Hill to convey the "imperative of success" in Iraq.
"Iraq is a central battleground in this historic conflict" against terrorism, he said in a brief interview after meeting with Reid, the Senate majority leader.
But hey, since most Iraqis want the US out, then they really should leave.
Mob rules, they know best......or do they?
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Re: Iraq officials to push for U.S. support
May 11, 2007 - 04:39 PM
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But hey, since most Iraqis want the US out, then they really should leave.
Finally you made a statement where I agree with you.
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Re: Iraq officials to push for U.S. support
May 12, 2007 - 05:14 PM
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Arslanik wrote:
But hey, since most Iraqis want the US out, then they really should leave.
Finally you made a statement where I agree with you.
Arslan
Many Germans wanted the Americans out of Nazi Germany in WWII too.
Enough said.
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Re: Iraq officials to push for U.S. support
May 13, 2007 - 01:33 AM
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Many Germans wanted the Americans out of Nazi Germany in WWII too.
Enough said.
It is amazing how you, while pointing out differences between Soviet aggression in Afghanistan and American aggression in Vietnam and now American aggression in Iraq, you make such a perverse comparison. Iraq is not Nazi Germany. There is no comparison in neither threat posed by Iraq and Germany (in 30s) nor in terms of power between two countries. Has Iraq ever declared war on America like Nazi Germany did?
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Re: Iraq officials to push for U.S. support
May 13, 2007 - 03:04 PM
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It is amazing how you, while pointing out differences between Soviet aggression in Afghanistan and American aggression in Vietnam and now American aggression in Iraq, you make such a perverse comparison. Iraq is not Nazi Germany. There is no comparison in neither threat posed by Iraq and Germany (in 30s) nor in terms of power between two countries. Has Iraq ever declared war on America like Nazi Germany did?
Arslan
Arslan, you miss my point.
Just because the majority of the population want the American and other coalition forces out, does not mean they should leave. Why do you think the Iraqi government wants the Americans to stay? Because they know that if American forces leave, there will be all out civil war and Al-Qaida will continue to terrorize the country.
The only war of agression the American and coalition forces started with Iraq was against Saddam Hussien and his Baath regime, the same people who oppressed, tortured, gassed, and committed other crimes against humanity against their own citizens.
Now there is another war going on in Iraq, but it is not a war of aggression by American and coalition forces against Iraq, but by Iraqi warring factions and Al-Qaida in Iraq. America are now playing a defensive role by trying to repel the violence.
See the difference?
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Re: Iraq officials to push for U.S. support
May 13, 2007 - 04:47 PM
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Just because the majority of the population want the American and other coalition forces out, does not mean they should leave.
Why is it? Is it because people of color do not deserve the thing called "democracy"? Or may be Iraqis are children who do not know what they want, and accordingly Americans should consider it and make decisions for Iraqis? Is that what you are trying to say?
Why do you think the Iraqi government wants the Americans to stay?
Not all members of the Iraqi government want the US to stay. As for those who do, of course, they do because they are supported by Americans and are benefiting from that.
The only war of agression the American and coalition forces started with Iraq was against Saddam Hussien and his Baath regime, the same people who oppressed, tortured, gassed, and committed other crimes against humanity against their own citizens.
By oppressing, torturing, gassing, and committing other crimes against humanity in the same way as did the former leaders of Iraq. I don't see any difference.
Now there is another war going on in Iraq, but it is not a war of aggression by American and coalition forces against Iraq, but by Iraqi warring factions and Al-Qaida in Iraq. America are now playing a defensive role by trying to repel the violence.
What makes Iraqis to take arms and establish warring factions? Of course, there is political rivalry and sectarian hatred, but their primary goal is to fight against imperial occupation.
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Re: Iraq officials to push for U.S. support
May 14, 2007 - 08:13 AM
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What makes Iraqis to take arms and establish warring factions? Of course, there is political rivalry and sectarian hatred, but their primary goal is to fight against imperial occupation.
Arslan
Are you, Arslan, condoning the actions of al-Qaida in Iraq because they fight against the imperial occupation?
Remember before you answer, Americans are not the ones using suicide bombers.
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Re: Iraq officials to push for U.S. support
May 14, 2007 - 04:11 PM
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I have no idea what makes you think I condone Al-Qaeda. There is nothing in my posts--you can browse through all the posts of mine--where any justification for Al-Qaeda's terror tactics can be found. Explaining Al-Qaeda's goals or their tactics does not mean condoning it.
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Re: Iraq officials to push for U.S. support
June 3, 2007 - 07:55 PM
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So stevew, nomatter what majority of the Iraq wants, iraqi future must be decided by americans like you?
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Re: Iraq officials to push for U.S. support
June 4, 2007 - 12:49 PM
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udara2004 wrote:
So stevew, nomatter what majority of the Iraq wants, iraqi future must be decided by americans like you?
I'm Canadian.
The Iraqi government and American government want peace in Iraq and realize that until the Iraqi security and police forces are ready to secure the country themselves, they need the assistance of coalition forces.
Maybe they should just leave Iraq and let Al-qaida have their way with the Iraqis citizens?
Does that sound like a good plan?
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Re: Iraq officials to push for U.S. support
June 5, 2007 - 12:21 AM
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stevew wrote:
udara2004 wrote:
So stevew, nomatter what majority of the Iraq wants, iraqi future must be decided by americans like you?
I'm Canadian.
The Iraqi government and American government want peace in Iraq and realize that until the Iraqi security and police forces are ready to secure the country themselves, they need the assistance of coalition forces.
Maybe they should just leave Iraq and let Al-qaida have their way with the Iraqis citizens?
Does that sound like a good plan?
Al Quida taking over A SHIA majority Iraq, interestng assumption. Just like communism took over East Asia after the fall of Vietnam, eh ?? :P
What Americans and British do or future of Iraq is PURELY up to Iraqi people. YOu me or American government should have no say in it. If the Iraqis want Americans out, I think its the duty of others to RESPECT the majority wish of Iraqis.
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Re: Iraq officials to push for U.S. support
June 8, 2007 - 07:46 PM
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Steve, I disagree with you in the sense that I do not think it is a matter of the White Mans Burden -
ultimately it is for the Iraqis to determine their own fate - not up to us to decide what is right for them.
however - Arslan & Udara -
I do beleive in Democracy - which is why I beleive it is for the democratically elected leaders in Iraq to ask US to leave -
the US should not leave on the basis of a Zogby or USA Today poll - but at the behest of the duly elected government -
and so long as the elected government wants the US to stay - then we should.
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Re: Iraq officials to push for U.S. support
June 10, 2007 - 01:18 AM
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it seems that democracy nowadays is only legitimate if it meets the western standards and the western standards only. When people freely elect their government but that government is not what the west wants, then it is never "believed" by them to be a democracy.
Hypocrisy is all around us. Just look, listen and read.
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Re: Iraq officials to push for U.S. support
June 10, 2007 - 04:12 PM
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umm - not sure what Palestinian is talking about -
again - it is for the elected government of Iraq to ask the US to leave -
the elected government in Iraq has not made such a demand - so Palestinian - what are you talking about?
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Re: Iraq officials to push for U.S. support
June 10, 2007 - 07:00 PM
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hello friends
i think it's been months since i last heard any Iraqi around me talk about whether american troops should stay or leave, this is just not a pressing issue for us. electricity is, finding gas for your car is, being safe. actually i'm hearing Iraqis say that they really don't care who rules this country, they just want "good" conditions to live peacefully.
take care
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