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Luke Lieberman
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Fall of Baghdad
April 10, 2003 - 12:08 PM
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They were cheering, I can't beleive it but it was true - Iraqi citizens reacted to US troops a though they were liberators - Sadams regeime was indeed brutal.
I wonder if this offers any justification for the war itself.
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cheering? yes but how many?
April 10, 2003 - 01:25 AM
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With regard to sadaam: yes he was a brutal dictator, yes he deserves every ounce of hate , but no , not everyone is in favour of the actions taken by the US in their illegal invasion of Iraq. Also, one must always take the media with a grain of salt- they show images of a few hundred cheering and all of a sudden the world is to believe that an entire nation is jubilant? Not so. One regime to replace another? Where is the democracy? Where is the justice/justification?? There is none. This war sets a horrific precedent for the world entire in that no one is safe, no one is sovereign and the US will and can play the cards however it pleases and at its will. I say to myself, I will certainly sleep with one eye open, for Uncle Sam is a deadly gruesome and deceitful old man.
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dictatorship is bad
April 10, 2003 - 01:57 AM
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well after 24yrs of dictatorship i think it is all over now.though not that i supported the war in the begining 'cos war does does not literally solve any problem but it's all over now.everybody can go back to thier normal work and business btw US and other counties which depends on US market 4 their market to move will be normalized.
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Re: Fall of Baghdad
April 10, 2003 - 02:10 AM
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The end of a dictatorship, especially in the case, is a good thing, but at the same time, the repercussions of this war on the international scale are yet to be seen.
And we need to pay attention to what happens post-war - this will be the critical stage for the US to show its true intentions re Iraq.
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A Free Iraq
April 10, 2003 - 06:43 AM
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Yesterday the statue of Saddamm went down. It was wonderful to see how happy the people were. They are finally free from that tyrant. Things will probably be really tough for a while there, but in the long run, they will be so much happier. I heard that there was dancing and music in the street, along with the looting of Saddams multi-billion dollar facilities! Kind of changes your ideas on the war right?
Michael Cartier!
P.S: Even if the US intentions were for oil, the people of Iraq will end up with many benefits! If the US develops more oil reserves, then the people will finally get the oil money that Saddamm was greedily stealing for himself before.
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Luke Lieberman
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Re: Fall of Baghdad
April 10, 2003 - 08:07 AM
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Kat -
I think more time is needed for the situation to develop before judging it soooo harshly - I know that the cameras selected those images which were the most promising and in line with how Americans want to think about themselves - I work with cameras all the time - it is my biz and I am an expert at fabricating fiction.
But to ask "where is the democracy?" at this point in the game is not practical - a new Iraqi government will not be born overnight - what forms of democracy do think should have happened already and how do you think it is at all pheasable? They just gained partial control of the city yesterday - this is going to take months to set up even with the best intentions.
In terms of legal - this is semantics - calling it legal or illigal is immaterial, just a label the question is by whose standards - the US need heed no authority higher than itself - it is the same with any government and the ramifications of their action will make themself known - both positive and negative, but the President of the United States answers only to the people of this country - as it should be.
Anyway there are plenty of pople in Iraq that are happy abouttwo things - the war is over and the US won, removing Sadam.
This is not a fiction but a fact - poeple hated the persecution of his government and could not themselves overthrow Sadam - they needed the US>
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Oil
April 11, 2003 - 04:50 AM
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In the 1970's and 80's, the United States developed hundreds of Oil Fields in the Shah's Iran. Through this development, the United States took a poor developing nation, and boosted it's economy by 75%. Thousands of locals were employed, and the nation's populace was becoming more and more equal. Unfortunately, all of that plummeted what Khomeni took over. Sudan is currently a highly corrupt government. It's oil is an economic base, and we pay billions of dollars to help develop and trade for it. Normally that money would help the Sudanese economy and it's population, however, the government is not allowing free distribution to the people, and so the nation is still poor. In Iraq the corrupt government has been removed, and a new system will be put into place. Should we encourage the development of Iraq's natural resources, and it's economy and general welfare will improve as well.
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Re: A Free Iraq
April 11, 2003 - 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by Cartier2028
P.S: Even if the US intentions were for oil, the people of Iraq will end up with many benefits! If the US develops more oil reserves, then the people will finally get the oil money that Saddamm was greedily stealing for himself before.
Sorta like the Sudanese get lots of money from the oil being developed by Shell? :P
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Re: Fall of Baghdad
April 14, 2003 - 04:49 AM
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basically I want to start up a new post because the discussions haven't moved all day -
The conquest of Iraq is almost complete.
It looks likeSyria had better be careful.
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Re: Fall of Baghdad
May 13, 2003 - 09:30 AM
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The people of Iraq have been under the ruling of an evil dictator that told them what to do and didn't do what was best for his country, but what was best for him. Its no wonder the people would celebrate the American's destroying their regime. For the Iraqi people, it would probably mean new hope and freedom for their future, and their families future!
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