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Re: Virginia Tech attack
April 19, 2007 - 04:48 AM
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"we have seen too many of these psychotic episodes right from columbine to the amish shootout last year, so guns being easily accessible is a bit of a problem."
Well, look - The Amish shootout was done by a guy who never saw a movie because the Amish don't beleive in electricity -
so... basically I think the access to guns is more of the issue - because insane crazy people come in all races and creeds so the goal should be keeping weapons out of their hands.
we are talking about the American culture - but 30 people killed violently is a regular occurance in the middle-east and I don't think it is a matter of which movies they are watching either.
In this case, I think we are dealing with a severely disturbed kid who sat silently simmering until he exploded.
if he didn't have a gun it would have been remained impotent rage - and even if he did - so long as it wasn't a semi-automatic he could not have shot nearly as many people.
So all I'm am saying is that gun control will do more in these situations than censoring "american culture" because disturbed kids like are going to crop up no matter what the culture - they need medication, not guns.
background checks need a whole different protocal.
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Re: Virginia Tech attack
April 19, 2007 - 05:13 AM
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Well, look - The Amish shootout was done by a guy who never saw a movie because the Amish don't beleive in electricity -
so... basically I think the access to guns is more of the issue - because insane crazy people come in all races and creeds so the goal should be keeping weapons out of their hands.
we are talking about the American culture - but 30 people killed violently is a regular occurance in the middle-east and I don't think it is a matter of which movies they are watching either.
In this case, I think we are dealing with a severely disturbed kid who sat silently simmering until he exploded.
if he didn't have a gun it would have been remained impotent rage - and even if he did - so long as it wasn't a semi-automatic he could not have shot nearly as many people.
So all I'm am saying is that gun control will do more in these situations than censoring "american culture" because disturbed kids like are going to crop up no matter what the culture - they need medication, not guns.
background checks need a whole different protocal.
luke, plz dont take it that way!
u want to blame middle east for a person who killed 30 innocent students in USA?
he did wrong, he was raised in USA, still it is wrong, whatever happens in middle east is wrong as well, two wrongs will never make a single right!
you must accept that!
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April 19, 2007 - 09:50 AM
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well, i think most of the students at this level of study are psychos because of the movies and video games and mostly in the western world.
he might have thought that by doing so he will be remembered as a hero and someone extraordinary.
and also the students or his class mates or room mates would have told him something disgusting and then he decided to do so.
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April 19, 2007 - 10:37 AM
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luke wrote:
"we have seen too many of these psychotic episodes right from columbine to the amish shootout last year, so guns being easily accessible is a bit of a problem."
Well, look - The Amish shootout was done by a guy who never saw a movie because the Amish don't beleive in electricity -
so... basically I think the access to guns is more of the issue - because insane crazy people come in all races and creeds so the goal should be keeping weapons out of their hands.
we are talking about the American culture - but 30 people killed violently is a regular occurance in the middle-east and I don't think it is a matter of which movies they are watching either.
In this case, I think we are dealing with a severely disturbed kid who sat silently simmering until he exploded.
if he didn't have a gun it would have been remained impotent rage - and even if he did - so long as it wasn't a semi-automatic he could not have shot nearly as many people.
So all I'm am saying is that gun control will do more in these situations than censoring "american culture" because disturbed kids like are going to crop up no matter what the culture - they need medication, not guns.
background checks need a whole different protocal.
I believe we're on the same page here...
it would be very stupid to suggest censorship of any kind because a) it is practically impossible b) even if it were to happen hypothetically, it will make matters worse culturally. The amish shooter was said to be a very normal guy with a family, no indication of any "disturbance" whatsoever as compared to the korean. Both were in need of severe medication, yet you cannot give them the same treatment. Situations and circumstances make all the difference. The bomber from the middle east has a unique mind set too just like these two. Clubbing everyone together in the same category is dangerous.
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Luke Lieberman
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April 19, 2007 - 12:49 PM
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"u want to blame middle east for a person who killed 30 innocent students in USA?"
Hamid - you need to read my messages more carefully -
I did not blame anyone in the middle-east for what Cho did -
I simply pointed out that there are gun-toting madmen in other places besides America -
so when people say it is a result of American Culture - I show them that other cultures have similar problems.
no one in the middle-east had anything what so ever to do with the Virginia Tech murders - obviously.
"and also the students or his class mates or room mates would have told him something disgusting and then he decided to do so. "
he never talked to anyone - his roomates didn't think he even spoke english.
"The bomber from the middle east has a unique mind set too just like these two. Clubbing everyone together in the same category is dangerous. "
thats probably true - I am not a psychologist - but there must be some similarities -
I think you would find sexual frustraition is something those three would have in common.
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April 19, 2007 - 10:26 PM
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It should be a cause for concern how this killer is being publicized by the media as well. This is a terrible thing to happen in the most unlikeliest of places no doubt, however this psychopath is pretty much becoming a "celebrity" to the hundreds of other loner socially inapt psychopaths living in their basements and posting stuff over hate forums.
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April 19, 2007 - 11:30 PM
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"thats probably true - I am not a psychologist -"
common sense, not psychology.
sourin, on that note, lets end the discussion here. may his soul rest in peace. it must be more troubled than the ones he has killed.
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April 20, 2007 - 06:55 AM
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luke i also did not get your point to shift the issue to current middle east incidents. That is another story and the reasons should be considered in another board.
But i agree that the access to the gun should be restricted and this is not the problem of just US.
By the way, we should accept that the computer games and film producers have a main role to create such a culture. Just imagine the kid who watches films full of scenes of murdering, killing and blood and play with such aggressive games in his computer every day. The result is a person like Seung Hui. He can easily kill the people because he has seen the scenes of gunshooting and killing in his desktop, Cinema and TV and under influence of them he did not feel any sin for killing inoccent poeple. So these products can be a facilitator for murdering.This is not the problem of just US and we should not blame the American culture. In future we will see more incidents of this case if film makers and game producers just think about their pockets.
luke wrote:
"we have seen too many of these psychotic episodes right from columbine to the amish shootout last year, so guns being easily accessible is a bit of a problem."
so... basically I think the access to guns is more of the issue - because insane crazy people come in all races and creeds so the goal should be keeping weapons out of their hands.
we are talking about the American culture - but 30 people killed violently is a regular occurance in the middle-east and I don't think it is a matter of which movies they are watching either.
background checks need a whole different protocal.
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Re: Virginia Tech attack
April 20, 2007 - 12:12 PM
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How do people feel about the amount of coverage that the "Media Package" the killer distributed is getting? Should those images have been released in print and on television? Does the public have a right to see this, or are the networks begin irresponsible? There seems to be a great deal of debate about this right now, and I'm wondering what people think.
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April 20, 2007 - 12:16 PM
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"Just imagine the kid who watches films full of scenes of murdering, killing and blood and play with such aggressive games in his computer every day. The result is a person like Seung Hui."
I play these games all the time - don't worry Aidin - your safe.
this is nonsense - there are millions of kids who play Halo, or Gears of War -
before that there were video games there were action figures and toy guns and swords.
Before that the big boogy man was comic books - they used to have Senate hearings about how Comics are corrupting the youth.
They didn't have any such video games 10 years ago when the Columbine shooting happened.
I think media provides an easy scape goat - I would like to see more respectful language in Rap music -
but it is not the musics fault if some guy smacks his girlfriend around.
"Cinema and TV and under influence of them he did not feel any sin for killing inoccent poeple"
I'm sorry, this is an absurd statement - did a movie make him routinely stalk girls around campus?
he was a sexually frustriated, angery and irrational person - who was obssesed with certain girls and hated people around him for being happy when he was so miserable.
Ya-know - one of the first cases that people blamed on media was the murder of John Lennon - the guy who shot Lennon said he did it because of something he read in the book "Catcher in the Rye"
but I don't think it was the book which made him crazy - I read the book and it didn't make me want to shoot anyone.
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April 20, 2007 - 12:30 PM
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Apparently this kid was disturbed from a young age -
"THE grandfather of Cho Seung-Hui said yesterday: "Son of a bitch. It serves him right he died with his victims."
Kim Hyang-Sik, 82, said he had a doom-laden dream of Cho's parents the night of his murderous rampage - and woke to hear the news of the massacre and his grandson's death.
He watched Cho's sick video of himself holding a gun to his head.
His sister Kim Yang-Sun, 85, who also saw it, told the Mirror that afterwards her brother was so distraught he had "gone away for a few days to calm himself down and avoid more questions".
She too repeatedly referred to the killer as "son of a bitch" or "a***hole" and said his mother Kim Hyang-Yim had problems with him from infancy.
Yang-Sun revealed the eight-year-old was diagnosed as autistic soon after his family emigrated to the US.
She said: "He was very quiet and only followed his mother and father around and when others called his name he just answered yes or no but never showed any feelings or motions.
"We started to worry that he was autistic - that was the big concern of his mother. He was even a loner as a child.
"Soon after they got to America his mother was so worried about his inability to talk she took him to hospital and he was diagnosed as autistic."
"She went on: "The reaction of my brother was that Seung-Hui was a troublemaker and it served him right that he died because he caused his mother a lot of problems. He was more worried about his daughter.
"He spoke to a few reporters to express sympathy to victims' families on behalf of our family but now he has gone away. He is 82 and lives quietly on a small farm and all this is too much for him."
Other relatives admitted Cho's parents had always been aware of his problems but had neither the time nor money for specialist help.
His uncle Chan Kim, 56, said: "He wasn't like a normal kid. We were worried about him not talking.
"Both his parents knew he had mental problems but they were poor and they couldn't send him to a special hospital in the United States."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/tm_headline=we-are-glad-he-is-dead-by-cho-s-family--&method=full&objectid=18931479&siteid=89520-name_page.html
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