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South Africa & Mozambique Steal Swazi-land
April 10, 2003 - 07:45 AM
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History has shown us one thing and that is, Swaziland is one of the most pacifistic countries in the whole world. From America to Australia I'm talking whole world.
When the conquistradors (they came from Europe) came here, they took the land, wealth and enslaved the indigenous inhabitants.
Our peaceful history
We have never invaded any nation or land.
We have never had faction fights or civil war.
Britain, as usual, is busy invading Ireland the silent war is on, Eritrea and Ethiopia fought over land. Iraq and Kuwait invasion. Bloodshed all over. Bloodshed all over.
Poland was invaded similarly by its neighbors, "recreated" and re-partitioning leaving a small Poland.
Mozambicans in 1980s wanted to come back and steal the little left. We just kept quiet. They wanted to make Swaziland their province.
The Kingdom of Lesotho suffers the same fate the only difference is Basotho never had seas or ocean.
Basotho don't need AU or SADC intervention they must just go to Pretoria.
South Africans and Mozambicans you can poke us but will never provoke us.
We don't want any more bloodshed, Jesus Christ died for us all.
The creation of Swaziland
The Kingdom of Swaziland (ESwatini) existed side by side with the other neighbouring kingdoms and chieftaincies. The Kingdom of the Zulu under the mighty King Shaka was still a chieftaincy under his great grandfather, Chief Zulu. The Kingdom of Swaziland streched from the present-day Swaziland to South Africa and Mozambique. Kosi Bay, Maputo, Mpumalanga and more land and seas belonged to Swaziland.
With the conquistrados it was about access, money, land and slaves. The Portugues stole Mozambique and British stole South Africa, Swaziland was briefly occupied. But!!! But the conquistradors re-created and re-partitioned Swaziland so that they got the max from their new territories. Swaziland was made even smaller and landlocked.
In Poland the conquistrados from the next-door was invaded similarly by Russia and Austria and others, recreated partitioned and re-partitioning leaving a small Poland.
Europeans and Africans know what I'm talking about.
Swaziland in the New Africa, 20th & 21st century
Mozambicans especially up to Maputo and South Africans in Mpumalanga know they live in the historical kingdom. They always laugh when we bring up the subject - those are our lands and seas.
Messrs HE Joachim Chissano and HE Thabo Mbeki should in the spirit of SADC and AU and the African century bring back our land by pulling back their borders. It is not right to continue having a broken nation and broken families this 21st century, this is the African renaissance century.
If South Africa could do it in Namibia by releasing Walvis Bay, we want our Kosi Bay and Maputo and Mpumalanga and parts of the Kingdom of the Zulu.
President Chissano must choose another city further north and make it a capital and release Maputo to its rightful owners. We can wait some years. People in Maputo must remain or move northwards because then we are extending borders. We treat everyone well with peace, no need for fear to people in Maputo and Mpumalangs. President Mbeki can relax because we won't take Pretoria, we can go up to Kwaggafontein and surrounds. But Pretoria is our land too.
Did you know that all that land and that game (animals) in Kruger Park belongs to Swaziland?
We all make mistakes it is time for our leaders to give our land and wealth back, in peace. Thank you in advance.
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Re: South Africa & Mozambique Steal Swazi-land
April 10, 2003 - 02:49 AM
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Are you saying Muputo and the other cities are part of your land because King Shaka raided and colonised these areas? Thank youyfor your update though on swaziland, have you seen the Swaziland country site http://swaziland.takingitglobal.org , perhaps you could share more of your history and stories of swaziland.
Rosebank, I was trying to figure this out. If people from Swaziland are the Zulu's then what are people from South Africa? Also I thought Shaka who was South African or should I say Zulu(I say Shaka was Zulu becasue he was the son of the Zulu chief Senzangakhona, irregardless of him being an illegitimate son). Anyway if very famous warrior Shaka raided villages and killed llegitimate chiefs and kings to gain terrotry that was not his, how can you say those areas belong to the people of Shaka? I think if it should go anyway it should be back to these people. But asking for that would mean complicating matters. Villagers where mixed, made into slaves and the women taken to become sex slaves and populate to increase the members in the community. Blood and tribes where mixed, cultures, territories and traditions where almagamated until people could claim no land.
After the assisnation of Shaka, by his half brother fights broke out and tribes that had regrouped tried to claim territory. Because blood and tribes had mixed bigger communities had been established had tribal wars happened. It was survival of the fittest and strongest. Now that boaders have been established and centuries later people agreed on these boaders don't you think its fare to live peacefully and be happy with what we have? I would why you would think it justified to take Muputo after sooo many decades, because you say that the land once raided and colonised by Shaka belongs to you. Imagine if A man was too come to your house today and told you that he was a very peaceful man, with history of having never fought and wanted to take your house. He even went to the extent of telling you to find a capital further North. What would be your reaction? would you simily pack and go? How do you think wars in this world start? If you are proud of the fact that you have never invaded any nation, what did Shaka do? Wouldn't taking Mupotu be classifed as invading a nation?
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MAPUTO AND MPUMALANGA
April 11, 2003 - 04:50 AM
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originally posted by reggie
Are you saying Muputo and the other cities are part of your land because King Shaka raided and colonised these areas? Thank youyfor your update though on swaziland, have you seen the Swaziland country site http://swaziland.takingitglobal.org , perhaps you could share more of your history and stories of swaziland.
Rosebank, I was trying to figure this out. If people from Swaziland are the Zulu's [WRONG WE ARE SWAZIS]then what are people from South Africa? [SOUTH AFRICANS NOT SWAZIS
Reggie, I have told you but I'll repeat, originally posted by Sobhuza
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The Kingdom of Swaziland (ESwatini) existed side by side with the other neighbouring kingdoms and chieftaincies. The Kingdom of the Zulu under the mighty King Shaka was still a chieftaincy under his great grandfather, Chief Zulu.
People from Swaziland are not Zulus we are Swazis or "BaSwatsi", EMaSwati or "Ama Swazi". The Kingdom of Swaziland existed side by side with that of the Zulu (or King Shaka). Shaka was the king of the Zulu not the Swazis and Sobhuza was the king of Swazi not the Zulus.
Swazi and Zulu existed side by side, Shaka and Mswati existed side by side
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Reggie you are right Shaka was a South African but Swazis are not. Some of the land in the northern parts of KZN, the kingdom of the Zulu, belong to Swaziland. Please stop mentioning the name Shaka in the same sentence as Swazi kingdom Shaka was just a neighbour he was South African not Swazis we are Swazis not South Africans. Our king is King Mswati III and the South African King ruling the Kingdom of the Zulu is King Zwelitini. Get this straight two kings two kingdoms two countries two histories two territories two languages.
I am surprised even Zimbabweans are mocking us like South Africans and Mozambicans. We accommodated your Zinla or zipra and zanla and educated you and others. Reggie how many Zimbabweans you know with Uniswa degrees? Many. and how many Zimbabweans you know with Wakeford Kamhlanga "O" and "A" levels?
Now that boaders have been established and centuries later people agreed on these boaders don't you think its fare to live peacefully and be happy with what we have? My precise question. Who enforced the borders? Based on what. The conquistrados motivated by greed for wealth, seas, minerals and more land. Look at Poland, do you know Prussia-era history Poland was decimated Swaziland suffers worse
South Africa stole Walvis Bay and reimbursed in 1992 what Kosi Bay in 2012?
Imagine if A man was too come to your house today and told you that he was a very peaceful man, with history of having never fought and wanted to take your house.
As a peaceful nation we will conquer no land but ask to be reimbursed like Namibia 's Walvis Bay and Ethiopia and Eritrea but want these territories peacefully. We dont invade nations or lands. We don't go to Kuwait with arms we are not Irak, we go to the table and say the land and shores belong to Swaziland please give it back. We are not asking Mozambicans to move further north, Maputo and Mpumalanga is in Swaziland we are asking for our own back.
Reggie Swazis are a peaceful nation lota beautiful women even King Zwelithini and his grandafther have Swazi women Nelson Mandela's child is a Swazi royal but we won't use him to our advantage, we fight our own table peaceful battles. we don't fight we talk.
Why it is justified to take Maputo after so many decades, asked Reggie. Reggie many decades ago pre-AU Swazis were busy developing Zimbabweans Mozambicans and South Africans get their feet on the ground. We educated these nations and delivered them to non-conquistradors liberation. Battles were fought from Swaziland by Zipra-Zanla and Frelimo and ANC soldiers against the conquistrados. You know that! There was no time to ask for our land there was time to fight for a conquistradors-free liberation.
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