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[Poll] Iraq Kick U.S.a. Out???
April 13, 2007 - 04:26 AM
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TIG VISITERS: SIGN/UP, LOG/ON, POST.
For most of us this Thread will only be up for a day or 2. But if you click on discussion boards you can find many unanswered questions that You may have the Answer 2.
PLEASE LEAVE A POST that way I will have some kind of idea what country the POLL clicks are from.
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george
When should U.S. Armed forces pull out??
NEVER
(3 votes for 14.29%)
NOW
(9 votes for 42.86%)
SLOWLY
(6 votes for 28.57%)
6 MONTHS
(0 votes for 0%)
1 YEAR
(1 votes for 4.76%)
LONGER
(2 votes for 9.52%)
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Re: [Poll] Iraq Kick U.S.a. Out???
April 13, 2007 - 05:18 AM
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I did not Vote for Bush the first time he ran for president but I voted for him the second time around, with the hope he could clean up the mess he started. There are no easy answers for Iraq/USA.
george
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Re: [Poll] Iraq Kick U.S.a. Out???
April 22, 2007 - 04:36 PM
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George,
I chose "NOW" but even if the US starts to pull out now, it is going to drag on at least for six months, perhaps a year. By staying there, the US is not going to achieve anything. It is getting worse and worse and the foreign occupation forces are a destabilizing force there. That is what most Iraqis, according to polls, say. That is what Iraqis want: US pull out.
There is an argument that if the US pulls out now, the country may turn into bloodbath. Well, tragically, the bloodbath is already going on. And what is expected to happen after the US withdrawal is going to happen whether the US withdraws today or tomorrow or ten years later. I don't see what the US can achieve by staying there. It is getting worse and worse.
That is my opinion.
Arslan
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Re: [Poll] Iraq Kick U.S.a. Out???
April 23, 2007 - 06:08 AM
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NOW!
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Re: [Poll] Iraq Kick U.S.a. Out???
April 23, 2007 - 07:27 AM
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i opted for slow withdrawal of US forces!
because of their presence, they were able to successfully lit the fire between shia and sunni once again, so if they get out quickly will lead to a disaster.
in my opinion, US forces must get out slowly leaving positions for UN peacekeeping or enforcing mission, or a force of islamic states under UN observation. both sunni and shia must realize that the current situation will eliminate both of them without any advantage to any side of the crisis.
Unity, that is the only solution.
hope for a peaceful world!
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Re: [Poll] Iraq Kick U.S.a. Out???
April 23, 2007 - 07:31 AM
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GeorgeCO wrote:
I did not Vote for Bush the first time he ran for president but I voted for him the second time around, with the hope he could clean up the mess he started. There are no easy answers for Iraq/USA.
george
where any fear caused by Osama Bin laden's tape? what was the general opinion about the tape? did they think that osama will harm them by attacking again?
what is ur opinion now, after bush won, and nothing of that sort took place, was it a game played with US people?
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Re: [Poll] Iraq Kick U.S.a. Out???
April 23, 2007 - 06:54 PM
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Arslan,
I clicked 1 year, maybe the UN and neighboring countries will step up with solutions for the Civil War in the interrum
Personnally I thought Bush's father should have over thrown Saddam Hussein with help from Saudia Arabia and other countries in the area. Personnally I do not trust George Bush, Jr.
Hatam,
9/11 is a wake up to US that we do not just live safe in our own land. We live in all the world. 9/11 is a cry for help from that world outside US boarders.
george
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Re: [Poll] Iraq Kick U.S.a. Out???
April 23, 2007 - 08:53 PM
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GeorgeCO wrote:
9/11 is a cry for help from that world outside US boarders.
george
Chilling. Absolutely chilling, George.
The attack on 9-11 was no cry for help.
It’s a pretty simple concept, George. Moslems are a product of their ideology, their alleged “system for life” that is a top to bottom, life defining, authoritarian and unyielding proscription that defines every aspect of a Moslems life from how they pray to how and what they eat, dress, associate with… everything.
That's perfectly true. What do you think the Madrid train massacre was? How about Bali? The London bus killings? Beslan? Just a cry for help?
The jihad against humanity we see is not a function of these Islamic killers being “made" by U.S. foreign policy or any others’ foreign policy. They are in fact, mobilized by it when it doesn’t yield to their arrogant claims of entitlement.
The names they operate under are subordinate to the cause of their ideology: Islamic Jihad, Harakat al-Muqawamah al-Islamiyyah (Hamas), Abu Sayyaf, Tanzim Qa'idat Al-Jihad in Bilad al-Rafidayn (al-Qaeda in Iraq), Hizbullah, Al-Ikhwan Al-Moslemoon (the Muslim Brotherhood), and countless others.
Jihad is a fundamental component of orthodox Islamic doctrine, and it always has been. Its borders have been bloody with wars and conquest since its inception, and none of that has changed.
What more evidence do you need that this is the way of the world before we went into Iraq? If 9/11 doesn't convince people like you that life and liberty are not the primary concern of these murderous Islamic ideologues, then nothing will. Maybe a 737 plowing into another mega building on a pastoral September day will make you realize how deeply and just-as-likely a victim you are as anyone else.
This post was edited on: 2007-04-24 at 11:22 AM by: mnopq (Moderator)
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Re: [Poll] Iraq Kick U.S.a. Out???
April 23, 2007 - 09:46 PM
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Unfortunately, I think this is a question with no real answer. The government has put us in a situation with no clear direction, no clear solutions and no clear outcome. If all foreign armies were to leave Iraq today, they would leave behind a country not yet ready to run itself, having created a new wave of disorder and stress (in my opinion). Yet, staying there longer will only create further strife and division the country.
In my opinion, this was all predictable from the very beginning. Anyone with common sense could have forseen this quagmire from the start. The US government chose to react in an irresponsible and unplanned manner. Now, we're stuck.
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Re: [Poll] Iraq Kick U.S.a. Out???
April 24, 2007 - 07:28 AM
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rschack wrote:
Unfortunately, I think this is a question with no real answer. The government has put us in a situation with no clear direction, no clear solutions and no clear outcome. If all foreign armies were to leave Iraq today, they would leave behind a country not yet ready to run itself, having created a new wave of disorder and stress (in my opinion). Yet, staying there longer will only create further strife and division the country.
In my opinion, this was all predictable from the very beginning. Anyone with common sense could have forseen this quagmire from the start. The US government chose to react in an irresponsible and unplanned manner. Now, we're stuck.
i think he is right up to some extent but if US is trapped in Iraq then it cannot stay any longer in iraq. US must find a way out and the more they stay the more they suffer. Iraqi freedom fighters have well managed their tactics to trap the US forces down.
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Re: [Poll] Iraq Kick U.S.a. Out???
April 26, 2007 - 11:14 AM
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That's perfectly true. What do you think the Madrid train massacre was? How about Bali? The London bus killings? Beslan? Just a cry for help?
One thing needs to be made clear here. Attempts to understand why terrorists practice terror do not necessarily mean to justify their actions. And while the terror tactics cannot be justified, it is disingenous and very problematic to assume that there is no way of dealing with terrorists other than murdering them.
There is no justification for Beslan massacre, and one can feel nothing but contempt for those barbaric killers who slaughetered children, both Muslim and non-Muslim. However, it is so ridiculous to think that the incident was an unprovoked, ideologically driven act. It is the same like saying that, at the end of World War II, fire-bombing of Tokyo by Le May, A-bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as well as the final showdown on Tokyo with over a thousand air fighters--all three questionable in their morality, to say the least--were unprovoked, ideologically driven Anglo-American Christian mass terror against innocent Japanese civilians.
Would anyone accept the above logic? While it is questioned whether the final three American attacks on Japanese civilians were right or wrong by historians, there is no question that nothing America did to Japan was unprovoked. Even the most informed readers of cruelties of the past will blink at reading what the Japanese did to Far Eastern peoples and the Anglo-American POWs. One may condemn the final slaughter of the Japanese civilians but the early Japanese provocation cannot be ignored.
Now, coming back to Beslan, does al-kafir know, I wonder, how many Beslans have/had been perpetrated by the Russian forces against Chechen civilians, women and children, since first Chechen War? Is al-kafir aware of the fact that tens of thousands of civlians were mercilessly bombed in both wars, and since the end of the second, several thousand Chechens have "disappeared," and God only knows how many have been tortured? Or has anyone forgotten that those Chechen women who took Russians hostage at Nord-Ost in 2002 were all widows?
It is so easy and convinient to blame everything on Islam while ignoring the cruel crimes of non-Muslims against Muslims, which often inspires ordinary Muslims to join violent groups.
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Re: [Poll] Iraq Kick U.S.a. Out???
May 1, 2007 - 04:22 AM
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Al- Kafir, I dont understand, what does 9/11 and Iraq have in common???
Have a look at the book PLAN OF ATTACK, very informative book on this isssue.
Plan of Attack Summary | Prologue Summary
Pres. George W. Bush takes aside Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld on November 21, 2001, 72 days after the 9/11 terrorist attacks and 11 months in office, and tells him to start planning in strict secrecy how to remove Saddam Hussein. On the heels of his invasion of Afghanistan, word of war planning in Iraq will ignite a firestorm. Bush has mentioned this task to National Security Adviser (NSA), Condoleeza Rice, and (probably) Vice President Cheney, who is obsessed with Saddam and Osama bin Laden. The CIA is developing covert contacts in Afghanistan and U.S. Special Operation Forces (SOF) commando teams are directing successful precision bombing. Rumsfeld orders General Tommy Franks to deliver a "commander's estimate" on Iraq within a week. Franks learns the Pentagon is reviewing the massive Iraq war plan through Major General Renuart, his Director of Operations, and cannot believe they would do this while already at war.
Woodward establishes in the Prologue the personalities of and relationships among the major players in preparing the Iraq War. The U.S. military is over-extended in Afghanistan, and the Department of Defense is in new hands, anxious to sweep away predecessors' perceived passivity. Power, obsession, secrecy, and the tug between war and diplomacy are established as the themes of this book.
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http://litsum.com/plan-of-attack/chapter001.php
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Re: [Poll] Iraq Kick U.S.a. Out???
May 10, 2007 - 11:46 AM
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As soon as Al-Qaida and all other foreign terrorists leave Iraq.
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Re: [Poll] Iraq Kick U.S.a. Out???
May 10, 2007 - 02:30 PM
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stevew wrote:
As soon as Al-Qaida and all other foreign terrorists leave Iraq.
Don't you still realize that what you call as "Al-Qaeda" and "all other foreign terrorists" will be in Iraq as long as the US illegal troops are there? For your information, most of the resistence to US imperial occupation of the country consists of indegenous Iraqis, not foreigners.
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Re: [Poll] Iraq Kick U.S.a. Out???
May 11, 2007 - 08:29 AM
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Don't you still realize that what you call as "Al-Qaeda" and "all other foreign terrorists" will be in Iraq as long as the US illegal troops are there? For your information, most of the resistence to US imperial occupation of the country consists of indegenous Iraqis, not foreigners.
Do you, Aslan, realize that Al-Qaida want to set up an Islamic state in Iraq?
Is this what the 12 million Iraqis voted for?
Aren't the legal American troops defending the struggling democratic government at it's request?
How is this illegal? Protecting civilians from suicide bombers?
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