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Ajay Kamalakaran
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Re: Are Palestinians human beings?
April 5, 2007 - 01:38 AM
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jessievanm wrote:
he is celebrated because of his achievements in the war - not because he was a nice guy, which he was clearly not. he was an ass.
Do you celebrate Josef Stalin "because of his achievements" in the same war?
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Re: Are Palestinians human beings?
April 5, 2007 - 02:02 AM
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ajay78 wrote:
jessievanm wrote:
he is celebrated because of his achievements in the war - not because he was a nice guy, which he was clearly not. he was an ass.
Do you celebrate Josef Stalin "because of his achievements" in the same war?
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Re: Are Palestinians human beings?
June 4, 2007 - 11:11 AM
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umm historically arabs from the gulf area till the north part where Palestine is now were only tribes of Bedouins they just traveled from here to there also that palestine was named the land of KANAN according to the bible and the Torah
the original 12 tribes of israel lived there long time ago before they get kicked out
so basicaly you can't name them a race
and sorry i dealed with a loooot of palestinis and to be honest they were the worst ppl i had ever met on the planet (i know this might sound like stereotyping but when you meet 30 different ppl from he same place and they 30 tend to be worst then each other i dont consider it stereotyping)
givin an example of a MODEL palestini GOOD guy lol
a palestini guy living in egypt we had a party together once and he drinked too much him and his GF anyway the next day in the morning i was at his place checkin on him with a couple of my egyptian friends so he opened the tv and there were some kinda fight between palestinis and israeilis that day
what did he say ??
he said why arent you egyptians fighting israel or dont you have the balls :S
i couldnt belive it he left his home his country and he came to get drunk in another country living his supposingly to exist country and then tell us that WE are the one who should fight for his cause ???
if you dont belive in your own cause how do you expect the others to do so ???
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Re: Are Palestinians human beings?
June 4, 2007 - 12:37 PM
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Churchill makes a lot of sense in that quote, even though it's nowadays politically incorrect to say such things.
It's nothing special to be a human being, what makes us special is how we act toward each other and our ability or inability to co-exist peacefully and advance postively in the society in which we live, among many other things.
The question is, have the Palastinians demonstrated these attributes?
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Re: Are Palestinians human beings?
June 4, 2007 - 01:22 PM
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stevew wrote:
Churchill makes a lot of sense in that quote, even though it's nowadays politically incorrect to say such things.
It's nothing special to be a human being, what makes us special is how we act toward each other and our ability or inability to co-exist peacefully and advance postively in the society in which we live, among many other things.
The question is, have the Palastinians demonstrated these attributes?
What? Churchill called Palestinians dogs, and said that the destruction of indigenous peoples in the Americas and Australia a good thing. It makes a lot of sense to you?
Now, I see where you are coming from, Steve. You may try hard to restrain yourself in your posts, but sometimes you can't help giving in to your true blatantly racist convictions.
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Re: Are Palestinians human beings?
June 4, 2007 - 07:52 PM
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"I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
What? Churchill called Palestinians dogs, and said that the destruction of indigenous peoples in the Americas and Australia a good thing. It makes a lot of sense to you?
Now, I see where you are coming from, Steve. You may try hard to restrain yourself in your posts, but sometimes you can't help giving in to your true blatantly racist convictions.
Arslan
Ok, Asrlan, where in the quote does Churchill call Palestinians dogs or say that the destruction of indigenous people in the Americas is a good thing?
His point is that no matter how long one group or race of people inhabit a geographical region, doesn't mean that another group can't come in and take over...that's the way the world always has been and always will, deal with it already... it's also referred to as a metaphor.
And other question Arslan, do the Palestinians like Jews and think that they're human?
Do you realize that Palestinians teach their children to hate and despise Jews while wanting to wipe Israel off the face of the world?
But you don't mind this do you Arslan, since you failed to mention that.
And Arslan, don't make me start quoting what Muslims have said and are still saying about Jews, it won't be pretty.
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Re: Are Palestinians human beings?
June 4, 2007 - 11:24 PM
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http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai=214&ar=1468wmv&ak=null
Who would care to explain this video to me? Who are these children? Where is this kindergarten? What kind of people would teach this to their chlidren:
WHAT IS YOUR GREATEST ASPIRATION?
TO DIE FOR ALLAH!
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Re: Are Palestinians human beings?
June 5, 2007 - 12:14 AM
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Steve, Read ENGLISh properly. Churchill clearly shows is racist stance talking on race superiority. And it make clear sense to you. That explains your mentality.
Anyway, Churchills quote did some good in TIG, i guess we have another white racist exposed here.
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Re: Are Palestinians human beings?
June 5, 2007 - 12:16 AM
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Churchill makes a lot of sense in that quote - stevew
"I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
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Re: Are Palestinians human beings?
June 5, 2007 - 07:46 AM
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udara2004 wrote:
Steve, Read ENGLISh properly. Churchill clearly shows is racist stance talking on race superiority. And it make clear sense to you. That explains your mentality.
Anyway, Churchills quote did some good in TIG, i guess we have another white racist exposed here.
Your hypocrisy is entertaining and easily exposed.
Would you like me to start posting quotes from mohammed about Jews and Christians. The Quran and the so-called 'holy-books' are filled with hate mongering, violence and acceptance of slavery among other things...it would be easy to find many examples much worst than what Churchill said.
Or how about what Palestinians and their government say about Jews and what they teach their children about Jews. They teach their children that it is a religious obligation to kill Jews, but you have no problem with this?
This post was edited on: 2007-06-18 at 09:33 AM by: stevew
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Re: Are Palestinians human beings?
June 5, 2007 - 02:30 PM
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Steve,
Just read Churchill carefully. "Dog" in his statement is "Palestinians" and the "manger" is "Palestine." He is comparing them with dogs. This is consistent with Churchill's overall contempt for the people of color. You can see some examples of it in this thread (see my and Ajay's posts). In addition, as you see, he spoke about a "stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race," as Udara rightly pointed out. Churchill's racism here is overt.
And other question Arslan, do the Palestinians like Jews and think that they're human?
There are Palestinians who consider Jews to be human beings, and there are the ones who think Jews originated from apes and pigs. However, I have no support for the latter, don't see any sense in their statements.
And Arslan, don't make me start quoting what Muslims have said and are still saying about Jews, it won't be pretty.
I wonder what you are going to prove with that? Once again, I know very well that there are racists among Muslims. If you ever read me defending their racism against Jews or anyone else, please point this out to me. When somebody from the Middle East compares Jews to dogs, I don't see any sense in that.
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Re: Are Palestinians human beings?
June 5, 2007 - 02:59 PM
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Arslanik wrote:
Steve,
Just read Churchill carefully. "Dog" in his statement is "Palestinians" and the "manger" is "Palestine." He is comparing them with dogs. This is consistent with Churchill's overall contempt for the people of color. You can see some examples of it in this thread (see my and Ajay's posts). In addition, as you see, he spoke about a "stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race," as Udara rightly pointed out. Churchill's racism here is overt.
And other question Arslan, do the Palestinians like Jews and think that they're human?
There are Palestinians who consider Jews to be human beings, and there are the ones who think Jews originated from apes and pigs. However, I have no support for the latter, don't see any sense in their statements.
And Arslan, don't make me start quoting what Muslims have said and are still saying about Jews, it won't be pretty.
I wonder what you are going to prove with that? Once again, I know very well that there are racists among Muslims. If you ever read me defending their racism against Jews or anyone else, please point this out to me. When somebody from the Middle East compares Jews to dogs, I don't see any sense in that.
Arslan
Actually, what the Palestinians are is fanatical racists, pretty much the whole society in which they live is dominated by anti-Jewish doctirnes and beliefs.
The difference between Churchill and the Palestinians is that Churchill said those things, whereas Palestinians actually want to carry out a total annihlation of Jews and destroy the state of Israel. Not only that, but they teach their children this in school books and their religious leaders indoctrinate them with anti-Semitic beliefs from a very early age.
If you want more information and proof of this, check out Palestinian Media Watch website.
www.pmw.org.il</a
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Re: Are Palestinians human beings?
June 5, 2007 - 03:19 PM
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Steve,
So, do you support what Churchill said or are you backing off by switching to what Palestinians say about Jews?
That is one side of Palestinians, Steve. There were Palestinians who condemned Ahmadinejad for conducting his Holocaust conference.
You should look at both sides before generalizing on all Palestinians.
As for the website you provided, should we now start learning about the Israeli society based on a Palestinian website whose purpose is to show only bad sides of Israel?
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Re: Are Palestinians human beings?
June 5, 2007 - 04:59 PM
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Arslanik wrote:
Steve,
So, do you support what Churchill said or are you backing off by switching to what Palestinians say about Jews?
That is one side of Palestinians, Steve. There were Palestinians who condemned Ahmadinejad for conducting his Holocaust conference.
You should look at both sides before generalizing on all Palestinians.
As for the website you provided, should we now start learning about the Israeli society based on a Palestinian website whose purpose is to show only bad sides of Israel?
Arslan
Where did I say I supported what he said? I said it simply made sense. Some societies are greater than others, that's the way the world is.
I judge the status of societies on their accomplishments and achievements in respect to democratic government, human rights, education,etc.
It's not a matter of 'race', it has nothing to do with the genetic makeup of the group of people, does it Arslan?
It has everything to do with their actions and abilities to better their society in which they live. It has to do with their ability to live in peace or not to live in peace.
Palestinians have not accomplised anything. All they do is hate Jews. Why do you expect me to respect a people that teaches their children to hate Jews and to become suicide bombers for the sake of their god?
The website I provided is an unbiased source, that simply documents the Palestinian media. There is no propaganda on it, unlike in the Palestinian media.
I 'm assuming the original poster does not like Churchill very much. Perhaps it has something to do with Britain's role in stopping the Holocaust maybe?
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Re: Are Palestinians human beings?
June 6, 2007 - 02:43 AM
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Aside from quotations and religious texts, the Palestinian people have been under occupation by one nation or another for hundreds of years. They have been in a state of near constant war since 1948.
Are people really surprised that their society has turned into one based on resistance and violence towards the people who occupy them?
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