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dinhngocha
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[Poll] testing is a big problem when we learn
March 26, 2007 - 05:27 AM
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[quote]in vietnam, we are suffering from examninations. there are many exams. esp, when we learn English. because of the exam that we hardly reach the aim of studying English to communicate effectively. just focusing to pass the exam and forgetting to listen, speak English in a normal, natural way, in everyday activities. poor us!
what should we do???
change the testing system?
(3 votes for 37.5%)
self-study?
(5 votes for 62.5%)
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quang ha
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Re: testing is a big problem when we learn
March 26, 2007 - 08:16 AM
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Selt-study is alway a good way to impruve your English. I have learnt english a long time when i was at hight school. But i really awore about the importance of the english when i enrolled the university. So i try with my best to learn english, only by seft-study.
Now, i continue exchanging my english skill. I know testing is the best solution for the Vietnamese education to reform their educational system at present. So according to me, you do not need wondering about it.
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Nguyen Tuan Anh
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Re: [Poll] testing is a big problem when we learn
March 26, 2007 - 10:20 AM
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My dear friends,
Thanks for sharing your concerns. Yes, to be good at English, the best way I may see is the ongoing practice and discipline. Our conviction and clear motivation are also important to keep your spirit of learning ahead. I am sure you can make it out and be patient in this journey of learning. Good luck !
Now you recall me of which causes the learning system not to change in a long time. What I see is the way of testing leads to our reaction of easy learning just for the exams. This underlies the hidden side-effects that we find it not easy with speaking and listening (I find this absolute as I traveled overseas for the first time).
What I feel unclear is whether we as students (in Vietnam) are more concerned about the scores rather than the quality of knowledge (it is easy to understand). For this reason, we may be in the trap of understanding what the spirit of learning is here. I leave you the questions here.
Which does it mean to you by learning - that is for the quality of our own knowledge or the score? Still when we do assume our scores reflecting our capacity, I am afraid this can not help to change the testing and teaching system. At the personal lever, it may prison us from the deep learning.
Hope to hear from you. Take care and good luck.
With your poll, I wish to tick up two choices.
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Gerald Derome
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Re: [Poll] testing is a big problem when we learn
March 26, 2007 - 08:03 PM
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I've heard that the requirements for those from other countries who want to work in a predominantly english country (U.K. North America) is very stringent.
Many newcomers are better at the language then many who were born there. Just look at my blogs and discussions for proof of that!
In some countries learning is strictly enforced and has become part of their culture. Which may be good in some ways and not in others.
Vietnam students have those coming from all over the world to compete with so they themselves, the educators (system) have set very high standards.
If you want to succeed one must follow the rules and prescriptions for success.
Good luck, work hard, and do bitter then I!
Gerald
hehehe bitter!
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Nguyen Tuan Anh
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Re: [Poll] testing is a big problem when we learn
March 27, 2007 - 08:22 AM
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It is a lovely thought and reflection, Gerald. Yes I do see that the sense of competition in Vietnamese schools is a lot absorbed. A part of this sense is from the family culture as the parents keep their children to study hard and get the good ranks in classes. This is coming from the hope for a better future and job.
What struck me is the quality of education. It is still a lot reflecting the students' quality through SCORES rather than research activities and other activities which can reflect the students' active and dynamics. Should the set high standard work in this way? Whether people can 'cheat' for good scores in different ways (corrupting teachers is one of the ways and cheating in the exam is commonly happening)
Now the question is again in which way it is causing more sense of competition in some countries (Vietnam could be one of them) while it is not in the other countries. In which way people think Score is the rule and measurement of success (as I do agree when you say about success). Can we help to clarify this?
Let me know if you notice more. And thanks for all your sharing. It is a good learning for me.
Take care.
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Gerald Derome
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Re: [Poll] testing is a big problem when we learn
March 27, 2007 - 09:17 PM
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Unfortunatly it is those people and evolved doctrines in power that decide more then anything else the standards and methods used to sort ppl..
Scores are important but it cannot fill the whole picture of what/who a/the person is.
One may be an ace in a language and get a 99.5% score on the hardest tests, yet he/she may not necesarily the best person for any employ.
I do not know, your or my, educational systems to well so it is hard for me to compare. I am not an educator or teacher (recognised and/or accredited by any of the three big in power groups; Religion, Government, Business) to have valid or useful knowledge to and or teach.
Seek another TIG member from your hood; angel on a broomstick, we chated a bit on the same topic about 4 or 5 years ago.
Like any other position of employ, look at our "so called leaders" of most Governments, it is not always the best ppl. who end up there but rather those who have money or friends with money, or business backed, or just the best followers of the doctrine in power.
p.s. we used to be able to scroll back and look at the previous discussions on the tread, in order to read and re-read and answer any questions when on here, but they took that away. Unless one jots down notes elsewhere all we have is memory of what was read 2,3,4,5,6,10... minutes ago?
Gerald
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