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War on Afghanistan
March 8, 2007 - 08:00 AM
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War on Afghanistan shows logical result of unsuccessful struggle by the U.S. to build pipelines through it.It is about oil, gas and pipelines around the Caspian Sea. To transport oil and gas from the east side of the Caspian Sea, pipelines had been planned through Afghanistan. Because a U.S. company, UNOCAL, failed to control the Afghan route, the war was prepared. When the military was ready to strike, the "terrorists" of 9/11 gave Bush the pretext to start this war and obtain support from Congress, the U.S. population and the rest of the world.
What You People Think?
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Re: War on Afghanistan
March 8, 2007 - 10:27 AM
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The war in Afghanistan was wabout 9/11 - period.
the pipeline is incidental and ultimately not very important.
after the worst attack on American soil in the history of our country - the people demanded retribution -
Al Qaeda had sanctuary in Afghanistan - do you dispute this?
No one cared a lick about this pipeline. The United States has pipelines going through alot of coutries.
you are simply refusing to recognise the obvious - there were terrorists in Afghanistan who used your country as a base to arm, train, and indoctinate recruits.
this is a fact. they committed a massive act of terrorism in downtown Manhattan - this is also a fact.
Downtown Manhattan is as close to sacred ground as we get in the US -
this is what the war was about - period.
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Re: War on Afghanistan
March 12, 2007 - 01:31 AM
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Taliban did not attack the twin towers in 2001. The US planned to attack Afghanistan way before 9/11 simply because they did not want to see an Islamic power ruling the country. Ironically, one of the announced objectives for this crusade was to crush drug trafficking. We all know now that the drug trafficking in Afghanistan has tremendously increased since the US got involved in the country. It must be indeed one the US rare "success stories".
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Re: War on Afghanistan
March 12, 2007 - 03:31 AM
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hi everybody!
i really dont want to re-open the discussion on US attack on afghanistan, but the result of whatever we discussed in the thread, US attack on afganistan, a self defence? was that the attacks (a brutal and inhumane act) were not committed by taliban, and no afghan was involved in it; as to give US a chance of attacking afghanistan!
so u can visit the thread!
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Re: War on Afghanistan
March 12, 2007 - 04:23 PM
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"Taliban did not attack the twin towers in 2001."
no - they protected and provided sanctuary for the people who did.
the Taliban were given a month after 9/11 to hand over Bin Laden - had they done this they might have survived.
For that matter the Saudi government had tried on a number of occasions prior to 9/11 to convince the Taliban to hand over Bin Laden so that he could be arrested and the Taliban refused.
"The US planned to attack Afghanistan way before 9/11 simply because they did not want to see an Islamic power ruling the country."
what proof do you have of this?
"one of the announced objectives for this crusade was to crush drug trafficking"
THe announced objective was to destroy Al Qaeda and install a democratic government -
a decrease in drug traffic was perhaps mentioned as a possible beneficial side effect.
but if you are so interested in a decrease in drug traffic then perhaps you should ask the Taliban to stop funding their insurgency with drug money.
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Re: War on Afghanistan
March 13, 2007 - 03:55 AM
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Two things:
Talibans were rulers who had no respect for human rights. Lets get our facts right here guys. Palestinian, do you think Talibans had done good to any of its people?
As for luke,
US supported Talibans/Mujahidin forces during the Afghan war with USSR. US foriegn policy has a history of making blunders. From supporting contras in Nicaragua to Islam extremism in Afghanistan.
Hmmmmm, here comes the argument, if forces were not supported to defeat USSR during cold war, would not cold war still exists?
The studies had clearly proved otherwise, soviet economy and soviet rule was collapsing day by day irrespective of action in afghanistan.
US support for islam extremism is a clear falacy of US diplomacy.
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Re: War on Afghanistan
March 20, 2007 - 09:11 AM
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udara2004 wrote:
Two things:
Talibans were rulers who had no respect for human rights. Lets get our facts right here guys. Palestinian, do you think Talibans had done good to any of its people?
As for luke,
US supported Talibans/Mujahidin forces during the Afghan war with USSR. US foriegn policy has a history of making blunders. From supporting contras in Nicaragua to Islam extremism in Afghanistan.
Hmmmmm, here comes the argument, if forces were not supported to defeat USSR during cold war, would not cold war still exists?
The studies had clearly proved otherwise, soviet economy and soviet rule was collapsing day by day irrespective of action in afghanistan.
US support for islam extremism is a clear falacy of US diplomacy.
that is why i said in many ocasions, that the war is not a war of principles, it is of interests. in the past, US in its interests helped these "terrorists", caused them to come to afghanistan, and then used them to conqure afghanistan and come directly into the scene, now afghanistan is under US occupation! and these guys are called terrorists and enemies of humanity! what were they yesterday?
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Re: War on Afghanistan
March 20, 2007 - 10:47 AM
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The Operation Northwoods and the Project for a New American Century cowritten by Dick Cheney a year before he was vice president stating that we need a" New Pearl Harbor" state that the US government has thought about doing domestic terror attacks against it's own country and that we need something like a New Pearl Harbor event so that we can enter into the middle east.
Is that proof enough?
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Re: War on Afghanistan
March 23, 2007 - 02:32 PM
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Afgans don't want extremists and al-quaid in their country, which is why the US is there killing terrorists, which is why I admire the US!
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Re: War on Afghanistan
March 25, 2007 - 09:31 AM
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stevew wrote:
Afgans don't want extremists and al-quaid in their country, which is why the US is there killing terrorists, which is why I admire the US!
very funny!
afghans are in war with US, (if not all of them, the south and east are!), does this mean that they love the foriegn troops?
let me give u an example, in Marko, jalalabad, ningarhar province, 16 people were killed by US forces while sitting in thier shops after an un-successful bomb blast! is it an act of friendship? what was the crime of those guys, only being afghan?
think over it and reply!
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Re: War on Afghanistan
March 25, 2007 - 11:54 AM
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In case anyone is interested to look at a long and detailed aproach that could be used, see my blog title:
"Social policy to address refugees and homelessness" at:
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http://benoit17.tigblog.org/post/172233
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Re: War on Afghanistan
March 25, 2007 - 05:07 PM
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udara2004 wrote:
Two things:
Talibans were rulers who had no respect for human rights. Lets get our facts right here guys. Palestinian, do you think Talibans had done good to any of its people?
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It does not matter what we think about Taliban. The important thing is that the US invaded the country and punished Taliban for a crime it did not commit. If we are going to invade any country we don't like, then we can all kiss this world goodbye.
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Re: War on Afghanistan
March 28, 2007 - 03:37 AM
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stevew wrote:
Afgans don't want extremists and al-quaid in their country, which is why the US is there killing terrorists, which is why I admire the US!
the real fact about all the human beings is that, they dont want their country to be ruled by foreigners, in other words they want FREEDOM and thats why J.Washington fought for US freedom! so foreigners are hated by humans, whterh they are alqaeda or US (n case of afghans)!
am i right?
if yes, then why international community want afghanistan to be ruled by 27+ states? if they truly want to help afghans; they must help the infrastructure and institutions improved, and not by sending dollars and getting them back through their NGOs!
so taliban were not the ideal, nor the US is!
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Re: War on Afghanistan
April 10, 2007 - 12:44 AM
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The situation in Afghanistan is very different from what most of us think.
I would like you guys to look at the following link.
http://www.rawa.org/index.php
Read the articles under the section titled "Reality of life in so-called "liberated" Afghanistan"
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Re: War on Afghanistan
April 10, 2007 - 05:39 PM
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ajay78 wrote:
The situation in Afghanistan is very different from what most of us think.
I would like you guys to look at the following link.
http://www.rawa.org/index.php
Read the articles under the section titled "Reality of life in so-called "liberated" Afghanistan"
This is just horrible. But what do you think is the solution, Ajay? If the "liberators" are not really liberating, what is the alternative?
Arslan
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