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Mark Caroussos
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How affirmative is affirmative action
February 12, 2007 - 08:51 PM
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I am for the advancement of the human race, not for "colored people" or any people in particular. This I believe is the most logical standpoint, so why does such a policy like affirmative action exist? Is it a passive form of communism or does it promote equality? Please feel free to disagree and don't be reserved, I can take it.
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Re: How affirmative is affirmative action
February 13, 2007 - 09:23 AM
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jinVmugen wrote:
I am for the advancement of the human race, not for "colored people" or any people in particular. This I believe is the most logical standpoint, so why does such a policy like affirmative action exist? Is it a passive form of communism or does it promote equality? Please feel free to disagree and don't be reserved, I can take it.
I think that it was something that is needed, to a point. It was enacted because qualified black workers were not being hired based on the color of their skin. Is it something that was necessary? Probably. Is it something that should be necessary? Obviously not. Is it something that is still needed? I probably am not the best one to answer that for you.
This post was edited on: 2007-02-13 at 09:24 AM by: Butters
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Re: How affirmative is affirmative action
February 13, 2007 - 07:03 PM
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Does anyone know when exactly affirmative action was enacted?
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Re: How affirmative is affirmative action
February 13, 2007 - 08:46 PM
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Using the *best* source ever 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action
The UN statement was created in 1969. Coutries then ratified from there. However, I hardly believe that true affirmative action has been around for that long. It's really only been in the past years (10-20?) that I would say you could actually see it. But then again, that's as long as I've been alive so my perspective could be a little skewed 
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Re: How affirmative is affirmative action
February 14, 2007 - 01:13 PM
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Good point, Butters. Affirmative Action then may have been enacted for all the right reasons but this reason is now simply outdated. This formerly constructive action has deteriorated into reverse racism. If I have misjudged or overlooked something, please someone shoot me down.
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Re: How affirmative is affirmative action
March 5, 2007 - 08:50 PM
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This is my favorite affirmative action story. I read it in Commentary magazine in the 1980's:
The Detroit City Council was upset because the Detroit Symphony Orchestra didn't have enough African-American musicians in proportion to Detroit's A.A. population. It told the DSO to fix this "blatant case of discrimination." Well, the DSO complained there just wasn't a classical music tradition in the A.A. community and they couldn't find any A.A. classical musicians. So to head off a cutoff in funding, the DSO told the City Council this: all auditions for new orchestra members would take place anonymously with the musician playing behind a curtain and hiring could then only be based on the actual musical ability of the candidates, not their race or appearance. What happened? The DSO didn't hire any more A.A. musicians, but they had to hire many more WOMEN musicians. That tells you something about the real discrimination that was going on!
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Re: How affirmative is affirmative action
March 6, 2007 - 01:37 AM
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I think that it was something that is needed, to a point. It was enacted because qualified black workers were not being hired based on the color of their skin. Is it something that was necessary? Probably. Is it something that should be necessary? Obviously not. Is it something that is still needed? I probably am not the best one to answer that for you.
I am opposed to this stance, because i think that affirmative action is a form of reverse descrimination. It gives the impression that minorities are not as qualified or as smart as white people. For example in Florida black students are given easier FCAT standardised tests than white students because they claim that teachers dont care about them and dont make an effort to teach them like white students. That is probably the best example of affirmative action i can think of because it basically suggests that black children are not as smart as white students. minorities will never be considered equal if they are not required to meet the same standards as whites. Handouts can not be given.
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Re: How affirmative is affirmative action
March 6, 2007 - 09:31 AM
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In Kenya,affirmative action is a discussion in the domain of gender and the marginalised group and youth verses the elderly traher than racial factors.Issues relatin to gender are the major ones with women advocating for their rights in community and the right of the girl child.Well we have achieved results so far in empowering the girl child though the campaign is still on.
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Re: How affirmative is affirmative action
March 7, 2007 - 10:45 AM
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Yes affirmative action may have been created for positive reasons, but it is not not necessary and is being used as a tool to give handouts. as well, it puts preasure on companes to hire minorities who are not quallified because the threat of bieng takin to court if they dont hire them. it has turned to reverse discrimination.
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Re: How affirmative is affirmative action
March 10, 2007 - 11:37 AM
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When thinking about affirmative action I automatically bring up the 'Coal Miners Son' question and this goes as...
Imagine a college admissions committee trying to decide between the white [son] of an Appalachian coal miner's family and the African American son of a successful Pittsburgh neurosurgeon. Why should the black applicant get preference over the white applicant?
This is meant to have people remember that AA is not just the color of skin. This is ment to show AA at work. So, who does get preference? According to AA the white coal minors son should reap the benifits of going to collage over the black nurosurgions son; because we can have a reasonable doubt that he has the benifits of his fathers sucess. Also, in letting the coal minors son to be picked would (according to Affirmative Action) bring us closer to equality.
Personally I do not agree with Affirmative Action because as it has been said before that this is reverse racism. There must be another way.
Fullinwider, Robert, "Affirmative Action", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Spring 2005 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), URL = <http>.
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