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Russia vs. USA: A new Cold War or conflict of interests?
February 9, 2007 - 04:20 PM
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Russian analysts argue that Washington's consistent efforts to redeploy its missile defense system closer to Russia's borders may be an indication the U.S. administration seeks to revive the "Cold War" against Moscow and its allies.
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Sergei Markov, director of the Institute for Political Research, also believes the United States views Russia as a potential adversary.
"We can see that Russia is increasingly perceived [by the U.S.] as a potential foe," he said, explaining that Washington tends to build its missile defense shields near countries whose political regimes it deems dangerous for its own security.
Speaking to the U.S. House of Representatives Wednesday, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Peter Pace said: "I think we need the full range of military capabilities. We need both the ability for regular force-on-force conflicts because we don't know what's going to develop in places like Russia and China, in North Korea, in Iran and elsewhere."
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"Is it the 'Cold War' in a 21st-century packaging, or just some elements of it? That's a subject for further reflection. But this much is clear: the West is not ready for full-fledged cooperation with Russia."
Leonid Ivashov, vice president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, interpreted the U.S.'s latest moves in the area of missile defense as an offensive on Russia's strategic interests. He specifically cited the deployment of U.S. interceptor missiles around Russia's borders and the creation of a radar and space reconnaissance system.
"The Americans withdrew from the ABM [Anti-Ballistic Missile] treaty precisely to restore full control over the strategic nuclear potentials of Russia and China," he said.
In December 2001, President Bush announced the U.S. would unilaterally pull out of the treaty, signed with the Soviet Union during the "Cold War" era, saying it hindered his government's ability to protect the nation from future terrorist or missile attacks by rogue states.
Ivashov warned that unless it takes countermeasures to neutralize the U.S. threat, the country could be in for a bleak future.
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http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070208/60414285.html
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Re: Russia vs. USA: A new Cold War or conflict of interests?
February 9, 2007 - 08:15 PM
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well Russia just gave missil to Iran - so America is not acting in isolation.
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Re: Russia vs. USA: A new Cold War or conflict of interests?
February 10, 2007 - 05:48 AM
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I'm thinking where Russians and USA will dispose their already missiles/ arms which this mordern world do not need.
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February 10, 2007 - 10:14 AM
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BBC Online
Putin attacks 'very dangerous' US
Saturday, 10 February 2007, 12:28 MT
Russian President Vladimir Putin has attacked the United States for what he said was its "almost uncontained" use of force around the world.
America's "very dangerous" approach to global relations was fuelling a nuclear arms race, he told a security summit.
Correspondents say the strident speech may signal a more assertive Russia.
Earlier German chancellor Angela Merkel told the delegates in Munich that the international community was determined to stop Iran getting nuclear weapons.
Iranian nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani is among delegates at the conference.
The conference, founded in 1962, has become an annual opportunity for world leaders to discuss the most pressing issues of the day.
Mr Putin told senior security officials from around the world that nations were "witnessing an almost uncontained hyper use of force in international relations".
"One state, the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way," the Russian president said.
"This is very dangerous. Nobody feels secure anymore because nobody can hide behind international law," he said, speaking through a translator.
"This is nourishing an arms race with the desire of countries to get nuclear weapons."
'Power, not weapons'
BBC defence and security correspondent Rob Watson, in Munich, said Mr Putin's speech was a strident performance.
It may well be remembered as a turning point in international relations and a sign of a more assertive Russia, our correspondent says.
Western leaders in the audience, including Mrs Merkel, looked decidedly glum-faced when President Putin had finished, our correspondent adds.
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Re: Russia vs. USA: A new Cold War or conflict of interests?
February 10, 2007 - 11:25 AM
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luke wrote:
well Russia just gave missil to Iran - so America is not acting in isolation.
Luke
The Russian sale of missiles to Iran is nothing as compared to the provocations of Russia and China by the US.
You can't compare air-defense system with the missile defense system.
The first step was withdrawing from the ABM Treaty, which triggered the Russians to develop new generation of nuclear weapons.
Missile defense system in Poland or the Czech Republic is totally unnecessary, uncalled for, counterproductive, and provocative.
One does not have to agree with Russian foreign policy to understand the sentiments and concerns expressed by Putin. I totally agree with his statements regarding the US in Munich.
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Re: Russia vs. USA: A new Cold War or conflict of interests?
February 10, 2007 - 11:30 AM
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plato123 wrote:
I'm thinking where Russians and USA will dispose their already missiles/ arms which this mordern world do not need.
Plato,
I understand your point and to a large extent agree that the world is far and way better off without nuclear weapons.
However, the world is more complex than that. Although the nuclear arsenal of the USA and Russia has been a threat to the world survival, they have also prevented World War III.
There have been several moments during the Cold War when the US and the USSR were on the brink of war. They would have certainly, unless both were scared to death to attack each other openly. The nuclear arsenal of both superpowers paradoxically prevented the Cold War from turning into Hot War.
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Re: Russia vs. USA: A new Cold War or conflict of interests?
February 10, 2007 - 12:57 PM
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You see, more than 1,000 people were killed by explosion at an arms depot in Lagos and this has been my concern of countries keeping/storing missiles.
What do you think of disposing those missiles? Don't this has effect even to climate?
And for the world going to war again is abnormal as we look forward for total world peace!
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Re: Russia vs. USA: A new Cold War or conflict of interests?
February 10, 2007 - 06:23 PM
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Russia has the right to be concerned about the agressive behaviour the US is showing. The US has hidden agenda's and wants to clear everything or everyone out of its way to succeed in their effort to imperialize and to take over the whole world. I am glad that there are still a few world leaders like Putin, Morales, Chavez, Castro, Ahmadinijad and others who see the edge this world is balancing on towards a world-wide dictatorship by the US.
The U.S will go for total anihilation of anything that is not U.S territory or citizen or does not hold any U.S interests.
The world needs to take unanamous action now and needs to get the U.S to abide by international statute law and international costumary law.
The United States is acting like a world in a world. Someone has to teach these guys some democracy.
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Re: Russia vs. USA: A new Cold War or conflict of interests?
February 11, 2007 - 01:51 AM
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Putin's speech: Back to cold war?
President Putin accused the US of establishing, or trying to establish, a "uni-polar" world.
"What is a uni-polar world? No matter how we beautify this term, it means one single centre of power, one single centre of force and one single master," he said.
'Formula for disaster'
President Putin continued in a similar vein for some time.
In today's multi-polar world, there is no place for needless confrontation
US Senator John McCain
"The United States has overstepped its borders in all spheres - economic, political and humanitarian, and has imposed itself on other states," he said.
It was a formula that, he said, had led to disaster: "Local and regional wars did not get fewer, the number of people who died did not get less but increased. We see no kind of restraint - a hyper-inflated use of force."
The US has gone "from one conflict to another without achieving a fully-fledged solution to any of them", Mr Putin said.
With the new US Defence Secretary Robert Gates and several US congressmen sitting in the audience, he called for the reconsideration of the whole existing architecture of global security.
hmmm ....I thought Putin was more of a diplomat....but I guess the confrontational build up by the US around Russia managed to somehow ignite a spark here !
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Re: Russia vs. USA: A new Cold War or conflict of interests?
February 11, 2007 - 04:34 AM
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Anu,
Putin made a brilliant speech. There are a lot of folks out there, but not everyone has the courage--and the strength which is the case with Russia--to say these things openly.
I just wanted to emphasize one more thing Putin mentioned, which is being ignored in the summary reports by the media. He also ventilated the grievances of underdeveloped and developing nations. See below
Arslan
Putin:
And there is still one more important theme that directly affects global security. Today many talk about the struggle against poverty. What is actually happening in this sphere? On the one hand, financial resources are allocated for programmes to help the world’s poorest countries – and at times substantial financial resources. But to be honest -- and many here also know this – linked with the development of that same donor country’s companies. And on the other hand, developed countries simultaneously keep their agricultural subsidies and limit some countries’ access to high-tech products.
And let’s say things as they are – one hand distributes charitable help and the other hand not only preserves economic backwardness but also reaps the profits thereof. The increasing social tension in depressed regions inevitably results in the growth of radicalism, extremism, feeds terrorism and local conflicts. And if all this happens in, shall we say, a region such as the Middle East where there is increasingly the sense that the world at large is unfair, then there is the risk of global destabilisation.
It is obvious that the world’s leading countries should see this threat. And that they should therefore build a more democratic, fairer system of global economic relations, a system that would give everyone the chance and the possibility to develop.
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Re: Russia vs. USA: A new Cold War or conflict of interests?
February 11, 2007 - 12:31 PM
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Yes Arslan ....I meant the same thing.I just thought he was more of a diplomat who is never so outspoken and that the US build up somehow managed to ignite the spark in him.
He got a good reason to say what was already brewing up for quite long.
Everybody wants to say it ...but nobody manages to do it and those who think aloud on these terms are alway sure to be blacklisted.
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Re: Russia vs. USA: A new Cold War or conflict of interests?
February 11, 2007 - 01:37 PM
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sigh
he insults the US and now Arslan thinks he is "brilliant" and savior of the world.
Putin is talking about an arms race?
Russia sells more weapons than any other country in the world and has for the last few decades.
their arms industry is booming - and they are the cheif salesmen to the fastest growing military in the world - namely China.
he is proud of it -
"Russian President Vladimir Putin was proud to announce last week that, in 2005, Russia's arms exports, worth $6 billion, exceeded their targets by 25 percent. In the past year Rosoroboroneksport, the state arms exporter, has sealed weapons contracts worth $18 billion, according to Putin a 61 percent jump."
so if Putin wants to head off an arms race he could start with his own list of costomers
this hysterical non-sense about a US world domination ignores all of the indicators, such as the rise of China and India, the solidarity of Europe - and any number of other factors which point to the trend toward a multi polar world.
"Missile defense system in Poland or the Czech Republic is totally unnecessary, uncalled for, counterproductive, and provocative."
What is your problem with NATO giving missil DEFENSE systems to Eastern Europe? I guess if Russia never fires any missils then the system will never get used - right?
I agree you can't compare the defensive system given to Poland with the one givin to Iran.
because Poland doesn't have a covert nuclear weapons program - the US is not ALSO giving Poland sensitive nuclear technology (like Russia is with Iran) - and Poland is not threatening to "wipe" other countries "off the map" like Iran is.
your right, no comparison - Iran is a much more dangerous country than Poland.
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Re: Russia vs. USA: A new Cold War or conflict of interests?
February 11, 2007 - 01:37 PM
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"Missiles to Syria and Iran, warplanes to Venezuela and Myanmar, helicopters to Sudan - Russia goes its own way when it comes to selling arms, seemingly immune to ethical debates that affect the industry elsewhere.
While European Union members argue over whether to lift a weapons ban against China, almost half of the $6 billion Russian arms sales last year went to Beijing. As the White House struggles to persuade Congress to approve a U.S.-India nuclear deal that some lawmakers fear could spark an arms race, Moscow is completing two atomic plants for New Delhi."
"Rosoboronexport officials declined requests for an interview, but customs figures show Russian arms exports - of which it controls 90 percent - have grown by almost 70 percent since Putin established the agency in 2000."
70% Arslan - grown by 70%! Since Putin took charge -
what the hell is he doing blaming the US for arms races?
talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/06/21/business/rusarms.php
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Re: Russia vs. USA: A new Cold War or conflict of interests?
February 11, 2007 - 03:52 PM
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sigh
he insults the US and now Arslan thinks he is "brilliant" and savior of the world.
He did not insult but criticized the US. Arslan did not say he is brilliant, bu his speech is brilliant. Nobody said Putin is the "savior of the world."
Russia sells more weapons than any other country in the world and has for the last few decades.
Wikipedia in response:
The United States is by far the largest exporter of weapons in the world, with a sales volume that exceeds the next 14 countries combined. Military sales equate to about 18 percent of the Federal budget, far and away the greatest proportion of any nation. (Estimated budget authority as presented in the President's budget.) John Ralston Saul states that the American government cannot reduce arms sales because of the consequent fall in GDP.
From 1989 to 1996, the global value of direct commercial arms sales was US$257 billion, of which 45% was exported from the US. According to the 2005 annual US congress reports, 58% of all US arms trade contracts are made with developing countries. The most recent World Policy Report, an annual update issued by the Arms Trade Research Center, a more detailed breakdown of US military spending is offered. It is here touched on from the following passages from the executive summary, expounded upon later in the report.
"In 2003, the last year for which full information is available, the United States transferred weaponry to 18 of the 25 countries involved in active conflicts. From Angola, Chad and Ethiopia, to Colombia, Pakistan and the Philippines, transfers through the two largest U.S. arms sales programs (Foreign Military Sales and Commercial Sales) to these conflict nations totaled nearly $1 billion in 2003, with the vast bulk of the dollar volume going to Israel ($845.6 million).
In 2003, more than half of the top 25 recipients of U.S. arms transfers in the developing world (13 of 25) were defined as undemocratic by the U.S. State Department’s Human Rights Report: in the sense that "citizens do not have the right to change their own government" or that right was seriously abridged. These 13 nations received over $2.7 billion in U.S. arms transfers under the Foreign Military Sales and Commercial Sales programs in 2003, with the top recipients including Saudi Arabia ($1.1 billion), Egypt ($1.0 billion), Kuwait ($153 million), the United Arab Emirates ($110 million) and Uzbekistan ($33 million)."
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Re: Russia vs. USA: A new Cold War or conflict of interests?
February 11, 2007 - 04:16 PM
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their arms industry is booming - and they are the cheif salesmen to the fastest growing military in the world - namely China.
Yes, their are arms industry is regaining its former position, but I would cast a strong doubt about your statement regarding China. Think of your own country.
Luke, you are so brilliant in shifting the topic to somewhere else in order to avoid the issue. You know very well that, by arms race, Putin is referring to arms race in a superpower level, particularly nuclear arms race (militarization of space, ballistic missile defense system, etc., which are triggering Russia and China to respond accordingly), but what you have been talking about is conventional arms sales with the sole exception of Russian aid to Iranian nuclear reactors.
Then again, do two wrongs make one right? If Russia is selling arms to Iran, Syria, Venezuela, China, how does it justify the NATO expansion and the US build up of military bases around the world, and illegal invasions of sovereign nations?
What is your problem with NATO giving missil DEFENSE systems to Eastern Europe? I guess if Russia never fires any missils then the system will never get used - right?
First, it is the break of the promise made by NATO in response to the break up of the Warsaw Pact.
Two, what is the need of missile defense system in Poland? The idea that it is against Iranian or NK attack is preposterous.
Three, suppose that Russia builds ballistic missile defense system in Canada and Mexico. Do you really think the US would find it fine???
and Poland is not threatening to "wipe" other countries "off the map" like Iran is.
Well, you are going to roll over this lie over and over without proving it.
your right, no comparison - Iran is a much more dangerous country than Poland.
Russia does not consider Poland a dangerous country at all. It is not about Poland, it is about the break up of the balance of power. If Russia is surrounded by defense systems, and its rockets can be intercepted while USA does not have this vulnerability, this will leave Russia vulnerable to an attack by the US. Excuse Russians for not simply relying on the morality of the US government, the US would behave the same if Russia was attempting what the US is attempting.
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