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Scientific discussion for who use mind to think and understand
January 18, 2007 - 05:35 PM
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Scientific discussion for who has mind to think and understand
meaning of some verses revealed by Allah to his last prophet
Surah Yunus Ayah [5]
It is He Who made the sun a shining thing and the moon as a light and measured out its (their) stages, that you might know the number of years and the reckoning. Allah did not create this but in truth. He explains the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) in detail for people who have knowledge.
comment: The prophet (PBUH) WAS NON EDUCATED , HOW HE COULD KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SUN (SHINING) AND THE MOON LIGHT (LIGHT ) AS MENTIONED IN THE VERSE (AYAH)
who can know the difference except the creator of the universe
can anyone explaine the difference scientifically
you are welcome
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Re: Scientific discussion for who use mind to think and understand
January 19, 2007 - 04:53 PM
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It is too simple now and after jurnies to space to know that the moon was dark and reflects the sun rays and we see itas white light, while sun rays appear shining
the two words describing the sun (shinning ) and the moon light were mentioned in Quraan which revelated to Prophet Mohammad by the angle Gabriiel scince 1427 years ago
and when we know that the language of Quraan, letters and arrangements of words are some of its miracles, so we realize that sun shinning and moon light differences were not known at that time except by their creator
how we know that Allah created sun and moon?
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Re: Scientific discussion for who use mind to think and understand
January 21, 2007 - 08:20 AM
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It is He who made the sun radiance
and the moon a light. (Chapter 10- verse 5)
And we appointed a blazing lamp.
(Chapter 78- verse 13)
And set the moon therein for a light
and the sun for a lamp.
(Chapter 71- verse 16)
Blessed be He
who has set in heaven constellations, and has set
among them a lamp, and
an illuminating moon.
(Chapter 25-verse 61)
The sun is "the only self-luminous body in the entire Solar System. Moonlight results from the reflection of the sunlight back to space by the surface of the moon.” [24]
The sun is compared to a lamp because it illuminates and heats the earth. Solar radiation decreases gradually on entering the earth's atmosphere because of "the scattering of light, or the scattering by air particles and other small ones floating in the air, and the absorption by the atomic oxygen in high altitudes and by the ozone gas, which is found at altitudes ranging from 15 to 45 kilometers.” [25]
But if we go through the earth's atmosphere up to the universal space, we will find it dark in spite of the sun's "appearance in one of the sky's corners.” That is to say the universal space is dark while half the earth is illuminated. This beautiful and awe-inspiring image reflects what is pictured in The Holy Qur’an. It pictures the day as if it is snatched from the night. In (Chapter 36 -verses 37- 38) God says:
And a sign for them is the night; We strip it of the
day and lo, they are in darkness.
And the sun- it runs to a fixed resting -place;
that is the ordaining of the All- mighty, the All-knowing
Dr. El- Fandy says, "Originally, space is dark and daytime is nothing but an incidental matter…. This process does not occur except in the atmosphere of the earth and other similar planets" [26] God, in The Holy Qur’an, makes it very clear that darkness is the prevailing phenomenon in the universe which should be blocked out to give way to day-light. This universal fact is pictured in The Holy Qur’an in chapter 17 verse 12
We have appointed the night and the day
as two signs’ then We have blotted out
the sign of the night, and made the sign
of the day to see, and that you may seek
bounty from your Lord, and that you may know
the number of the years and the reckoning;
and everything We have distinguished very distinctly.
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Re: Scientific discussion for who use mind to think and understand
January 21, 2007 - 05:08 PM
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Gazakillahou khairan daughter
can anyone immagine that these scientific signs were mentioned in Quraan which was revelated to uneducated prophet since 1428 years
who know this except the universe creator
how we know that Allah created the universe and how?
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Re: Scientific discussion for who use mind to think and understand
February 4, 2007 - 03:23 PM
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Surah Al-A'raf (7)
Ayah [54]
Indeed your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in Six Days, and then He Istawa (rose over) the Throne (really in a manner that suits His Majesty). He brings the night as a cover over the day, seeking it rapidly, and (He created) the sun, the moon, the stars subjected to His Command. Surely, His is the Creation and Commandment. Blessed be Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists)!
Surah Ar-Ra'd(13)
Ayah [2]
Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see. Then, He Istawa (rose above) the Throne (really in a manner that suits His Majesty). He has subjected the sun and the moon (to continue going round)! Each running (its course) for a term appointed. He regulates all affairs, explaining the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) in detail, that you may believe with certainty in the meeting with your Lord.
Surah Al-Anbiya(21)
Ayah [32]
And We have made the heaven a roof, safe and well guarded. Yet they turn away from its signs (i.e. sun, moon, winds, clouds, etc.).
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Re: Scientific discussion for who use mind to think and understand
February 5, 2007 - 04:24 AM
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....It is He who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon:all (the celestial bodies)swim along, each in its rounded course..Surah21:Al-Anbiya..33
What more proof do we need?
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Re: Scientific discussion for who use mind to think and understand
February 8, 2007 - 08:21 AM
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shorty667 wrote:
....It is He who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon:all (the celestial bodies)swim along, each in its rounded course..Surah21:Al-Anbiya..33
What more proof do we need?*
Without trying to cause offence, saying something in a book doesn't make it proof of that being the case. It may appear the creation story mirrors scientific understanding in that part but what of other cases?;
Then it was that God ordered the angels to go to the earth, and to bring seven handfuls of soil, all of different colours, from which he could model man. God took the seven kinds of earth and moulded them into a model of a man. He breathed life and power into it, and it immediately sprang to life. And this first man was called Adam. God took Adam to live in Paradise. In Paradise, God created Eve, the first woman, from out of Adam's side. (taken from http://www.innovationslearning.co.uk/subjects/re/information/creation/muslim_creation.htm)
This completely contradicts what we now know to have happened in the origins of life. It seems to me that (in all religions, not just Islam) the religious only agree with empirical facts when it agrees with something they've been told to 'have faith' in.
Faith is a strong thing, we shouldn't need to pick and choose science to try and strengthen it.
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Re: Scientific discussion for who use mind to think and understand
February 14, 2007 - 06:53 PM
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Colom
first of all welcome to discuss from scientific points
Quraan is not just a book like other human written books but it was revelated in Arabic since 1428 years and is the last send from heavean to noneducated prophet who was taught wisdom and this glorious book was send in verses (Ayat) according to the situation and needs at that time and was preserved written and memorizing and was kept and preserved till now and the last day in its original language so you can see the same Arabic copy allaround the world without change
any book you can find more than one eddition and you can see at the end correcting words and sentences except Quraan the only correct by original language 114 sourah (somewhat like chapter) in all coppies
so it is unique book and contains scientific facts never changed nor reedited and suit every place and decade
I agree with you that Faith is a strong thing, we shouldn't need to pick and choose science to try and strengthen it.
but I suggest that who want to find scientific theory or fact and want to prove, can search in Quraan because even words arrangement and are miracles in Quraan (we can explain later)
about man creation in Quraan (which was explained by authentic speech by prophet(hadeeth):what contradiction do you mean
many verses mentioned the creation of the first humanbeen Adam in this shape indicated that he was made from clay and eve was created from him
if we find the work of scientists these days on tissue culture and transcription made by creatures using cells then how we wounder that the creator created eve from Adam . and why not believe that Adam was created from clay (dust and water ) while science proved that 99 meniral of clay are in human body?
we did not find anyone till now said that he created a cell or a flie but any new known used the original created cells
let us continue if you want, I like scientific discussion and respect scientific brains
peace (salam)
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Re: Scientific discussion for who use mind to think and understand
February 15, 2007 - 11:43 AM
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I'll leave the stuff about the Quraan not being just any book for now.
Nothing I say could change that belief you have in it, I'll simply add that lots of different people have lots of different books which are unique in being the revalation of God.
Personally I don't think any of them are unique or infallible, but that's just me.
DrBadr wrote:
what contradiction do you mean
many verses mentioned the creation of the first humanbeen Adam in this shape indicated that he was made from clay and eve was created from him
if we find the work of scientists these days on tissue culture and transcription made by creatures using cells then how we wounder that the creator created eve from Adam . and why not believe that Adam was created from clay (dust and water ) while science proved that 99 meniral of clay are in human body?
This bit however... 99%? I can probably accept that statistic. It's all carbon hydrogen nitrogen oxygen etc. It's not in any order that's similar in structure or arrangement to a person though, there'd be a lot of water but apart from that...
Take a banana, it's structure cell wise is very similar to a humans. It won't have any organs as such but I suppose clay doesn't either.
Mineral wise a banana will be over 99% similar to a human (again all the basic compunds) however it will be even closer in other terms, it will have similar proteins and sugars (in fact 1/2 of it's DNA is the same as a humans)
Why can't we say God created man and woman out of a banana he plucked off a tree?
The statistics you and I used show it would be so much easier to use a banana rather than mud. Similarity in the ingredients don't proove anything. I could also point out all elements in the human body are found in stars, we could be made from stardust rather than clay.
Those are all just suggestions, I personally am going to stick to the whole evolution through natural selection idea.
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Re: Scientific discussion for who use mind to think and understand
February 16, 2007 - 06:12 AM
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You can say that youI don't think any of them are unique or infallible or unique only if you read any of them
I am talking about Quraan because I tried to read not just reading but using brain and somtimes looking around my self to see proves all time
it is nice to mention banana , it is inside my specialization and this give us the idea that every thing created from earth and returned to earth so they have similar components and also Allah said the meaning "we made from water every living thing" befor science discovered water (hydrogen and oxygen" . and Quraan mentioned the meaning which ask us to look around ourselves and see that the same water fall and grow several types from plants and fruits
you may also know that papaya have genes similar to human
Thiis is the glory of creator who can createanything from the same substances and menirals in different shapes
also look at the banana which you mentioned, it is not easy to give seeds in many parts of the world so we use vegetative propagation using part of the tree similarly Allah created eve from Adam not by usual method and then they propagated
this is in nature you see seedless fruits came from vegetative propagation and seedy ones came from males and femeles and between them other degrees
Please notice I am not convencing you by any religion (which are complementery to each othor only in their original languages) but to encourage scientific thinking for more understanding for all of us because many of us can not understand each other
in contiue
salam (peace)
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Re: Scientific discussion for who use mind to think and understand
February 19, 2007 - 07:52 PM
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DrBadr wrote:
You can say that youI don't think any of them are unique or infallible or unique only if you read any of them
I am talking about Quraan because I tried to read not just reading but using brain and somtimes looking around my self to see proves all time
it is nice to mention banana , it is inside my specialization and this give us the idea that every thing created from earth and returned to earth so they have similar components and also Allah said the meaning "we made from water every living thing" befor science discovered water (hydrogen and oxygen" . and Quraan mentioned the meaning which ask us to look around ourselves and see that the same water fall and grow several types from plants and fruits
you may also know that papaya have genes similar to human
Thiis is the glory of creator who can createanything from the same substances and menirals in different shapes
also look at the banana which you mentioned, it is not easy to give seeds in many parts of the world so we use vegetative propagation using part of the tree similarly Allah created eve from Adam not by usual method and then they propagated
this is in nature you see seedless fruits came from vegetative propagation and seedy ones came from males and femeles and between them other degrees
Please notice I am not convencing you by any religion (which are complementery to each othor only in their original languages) but to encourage scientific thinking for more understanding for all of us because many of us can not understand each other
in contiue
salam (peace)
I appreciate your fondness for a well-written scripture, but please do not mix science (which requires rigorous evidence) with faith (which is established by fiat).
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Re: Scientific discussion for who use mind to think and understand
February 21, 2007 - 05:56 PM
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Thank you for comment , as you know that Quraan include wisdom, orders to worship and rules, stories of brevious prophets and nations, guidance and treatments , ....and science facts (of creation of the universe, human, stages of embryo development, how rains were processed, and many scientific facts which were not known and recently was discovered
so science in Quraan and the first command and the first verse was Read (Iqraa). Alo many verses of Quraan urge people to learn, think and talk to people who have brains
In Quraan the meaning that Allah taught Insan what he never know before and when Allah created Adam Allah taught Adam every thing even angles do not know
so science and faith are important for both believers to fix their Iman (believe) and fon who not believe to encourage them look around selves may they know the truth
Quraan mentioned the meanong that the most people who AFRAID ARE SCIENTISTS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT WHATEVER THEY KNOW FROM SCIENCE THEY WILL NOT REACH THE SCIENCE AND KNOLIDGE OF THEIR Creator and when they know that the theory or fact was written in Quraan they have more believe
Quraan not only talk to hearts but also brains to think and thank for blesses
peace (salam)
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Re: Scientific discussion for who use mind to think and understand
February 25, 2007 - 02:39 AM
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DrBadr wrote:
Thank you for comment , as you know that Quraan include wisdom, orders to worship and rules, stories of brevious prophets and nations, guidance and treatments , ....and science facts (of creation of the universe, human, stages of embryo development, how rains were processed, and many scientific facts which were not known and recently was discovered
so science in Quraan and the first command and the first verse was Read (Iqraa). Alo many verses of Quraan urge people to learn, think and talk to people who have brains
In Quraan the meaning that Allah taught Insan what he never know before and when Allah created Adam Allah taught Adam every thing even angles do not know
so science and faith are important for both believers to fix their Iman (believe) and fon who not believe to encourage them look around selves may they know the truth
Quraan mentioned the meanong that the most people who AFRAID ARE SCIENTISTS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT WHATEVER THEY KNOW FROM SCIENCE THEY WILL NOT REACH THE SCIENCE AND KNOLIDGE OF THEIR Creator and when they know that the theory or fact was written in Quraan they have more believe
Quraan not only talk to hearts but also brains to think and thank for blesses
peace (salam)
Scientists are not afraid of religion. They are only afraid that religion may wash away the good work they have achieved these last three hundred years.
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Re: Scientific discussion for who use mind to think and understand
February 25, 2007 - 12:59 PM
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scientisis are the afraid of Allah because they know their science is less than what Allah know (less than a drop of water in the sea) and fear Allah anger
you may know that scientists convert when they know that there are more than what they discovered was mentioned in Quraan.from them the scientist who discovered the embryo stages in womb and the scientist who discovered that the embryo consist of created and non created notfah as mentioned in Quraan
All believers are afraid of Allah not only scientists
Surah Al-Anbiya
Ayah [49]
Those who fear their Lord without seeing Him, while they are afraid of the Hour.
Surah Luqman
Ayah [33]
O mankind! Be afraid of your Lord (by keeping your duty to Him and avoiding all evil), and fear a Day when no father can avail aught for his son, nor a son avail aught for his father. Verily, the Promise of Allah is true, let not then this (worldly) present life deceive you, nor let the chief deceiver (Satan) deceive you about Allah.
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Re: Scientific discussion for who use mind to think and understand
February 25, 2007 - 02:35 PM
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DrBadr wrote:
scientisis are the afraid of Allah because they know their science is less than what Allah know (less than a drop of water in the sea) and fear Allah anger.
Most scientists do not believe in Allah, or any supernatural conscious being directing human affairs at all.
If it soothes you, do continue to believe in Allah. But please, do not pretend legitimacy for your own opinion by pulling science into this. No true scientist ought believe that the world is controlled by a supernatural being who derives his power from fear and lives beyond the laws of physics.
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