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Emily Kumpel
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the environmental movement
October 12, 2001 - 01:13 AM
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we had the first in a series of speakers through community service office tonight, which went really well. a young person, rahul young, came in to talk about his work with green building corporations and how one can sitll 'do good' in a for-profit model. extremely interesting - the students who were there are now ready to take charge with increasing energy efficiency at our school, i'm excited to see what they come up with.
i've been thinking more and more about the environment, recently, that i should become more active on that end as well. the speaker tonight really inspired me - there's so many cool things going on. and he made some references to how the environmental and green building movement can help human rights. for example, there's apparently this amazing Gap building in California that's entirely state-of-the-art environmentally sound - huge windows, solar panels, grass and wildflower roof - the works. when Gap originally planned this, his company refused to sign a contract with them because they disagreed with Gap's other poor corporate practices. are they just creating an image of environmentally-friendliness to try to get the attention off unfair labor practices and other issues? maybe...then again, if they see how well being environmentally-friendly goes over with the customers, they might extend that into other elements of their company, such as human rights...
a very interesting alliance that i think has enormous potential and should be played with more. as he said, that's when 'the student activists step in'...
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ecowhacky!!!!
October 12, 2001 - 04:26 AM
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nah, the green movement is good. so long as it doesnt get over the top. The answer for the environment begins with government, not individuals trying to be morally responsible. although - it helps.
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Young Lee
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predwacky!!!
October 12, 2001 - 06:48 AM
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maybe you are trying to provoke a discussion .. well youve got one 
i thoroughtly disagree with you. government is accountable to the 'people', and people to their conscience. societal change begins at the individual level.
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yo! whacky!
October 12, 2001 - 08:13 AM
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that wasnt actually where i wanted this conversation to go - although your right in saying i was trying to provoke a discussion 
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When was the last time you thought any government in the world that was significantly established enough was truly accountable to its people?
ddnt think so.
there are of course, exceptions - but basically the most successful nations in terms of economy are republics. which i thoroughly believe defeat the purpose of democracy.
having success in economic terms translates into having an excess of resources and that which one is willing to sell or trade for money or goods.
hence the environmental problem.
the majority of educated, learned people in this world would undoubtably support saving the environment and having a sustainable future, if it was made possible through the efforts of their government.
put simply - the majority of people cant be stuffed. and they leave it to their elected representatives to deal with, unfortunately - elected representatives are often supported by large companies, or large industries where the continued exploitation of irreplaceable resources are needed to sustain profit.
kinda sucks now doesnt it!
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rsmarg.
October 12, 2001 - 10:58 AM
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dear old rsmarg - why do you always rip a positive thing out of everything i say!!
dont you realise the sky is falling!!!
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Robert Margolis
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Wealth can be positive for environment too
October 12, 2001 - 12:16 PM
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When people are wealthy they can think about the kind of future they and their children will have. When people are starving and have no jobs, the environment is the first to go.
Also, people enjoy the mobility and conveniences provided by modern life. Companies do not impose their culture on consumers, if you will remember the SUV craze in the US the car makers were caught off guard. How do we balance consumer desires regarding convenience and mobility with environmental concerns? Can we simply ban certain corporations and activities without addressing the demand side of the issue?
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Jason Robinson
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Re: the environmental movement
November 15, 2001 - 06:12 AM
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Emilyk,
Do you have any more info on that eco-friendly Gap building? Maybe a name or url? It sounds like a great story.
Thanks.
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Mike
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Emmanuel . . .
November 22, 2001 - 03:25 AM
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This is in response to an email i received. Not sure why it came through the channel that it did - but thats ok.
Here it is
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We have this problem in our country Kenya.The environment is being messed up.Our beautiful
forest are fading away the government is turning a deaf ear.I dont know if our greenbelly movement
will succeed in the fight to stop this.
Id like to know what your 'greenbelly' movement is trying to do. . .is it trying to bring attention to the issue or blame the government (rightly so - i have read up a bit on this issue) or is it just trying to get everyone and anyone involved in the protection of the forests?
Secondly, my post was never meant to have created the idea that government were 'solely' responsible, although i feel the government should be more responsible for the environment, and its protection - than anything else. This is because a government is designed to serve its people (A democratic government anyway) and provide them with a safe, good quality standard of living.
Hence, it seems more the governments responsibility than anyone elses. of course, if some jerk were to go out and cut down all the trees on his 50 acre property so he had a view - thats just...wrong
God knows what those deforestation companies do!
ps. emmanuel - why did you alert the moderators to this post? couldnt you have just replied????
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Architecture and the Environment
March 18, 2003 - 02:16 AM
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Hi,
If anyone is still interested in the GAP building I have a really interesting links to pass along courtesy of my brother who studies architecture...(I knew all of those unsolicited forwards would come in handy one day)!:
For the probable partners in the GAP building design:
http://www.mccalldesign.com
For one of the most interesting, pioneering, volunteer driven initiatives for the construction of sustainable urban habitat:
www.arcosanti.org
For more links to roof top gardening commonly practiced in Germany, St. Petersberg, and the GAP building in California:
http://construction.ntu.ac.uk/staffwebs/greenroofs/links.htm
Let me know what you think!
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Re: the environmental movement
January 20, 2004 - 02:20 AM
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We are a group of 4-6 grade students from East Orange NJ. We are actively involved in a recycling education program. We would like the support of others around the world to help set up a recycling program at their school or community. If you would like to join us in this project please reply to us and visit our project TIG information.
Thank you.
Project Clean Up
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