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Amanda Lassoued
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Saddam Hussein question
December 31, 2006 - 01:54 AM
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Okay, i know a lot of you here on this site were confused whether or not he should have been killed, talking if his death was a justice or injustice. This was before the fact.
Now Saddam is dead, as of the 29th of December and i was wondering how everyone feels about it now.
Was it a fair death? Did he deserve to die?
I want to know everyone's feelings on this matter!
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Re: Saddam Hussein question
December 31, 2006 - 05:04 AM
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Never deserved to die. No human deserves to die, especially this way. It was a show, a circus. A killing for political reasons almost.
Was it fair? That's the hardest question to answer to. But considering it was a trial with judges that were appointed by the occupation (and changed 2 times), that the rights of the defendant weren't respected (lawyers were killed), can't really say it was absolutely fair juridically. Moreover, it isn't fair for the victims. We souldn't forget that he was just trialed for 1 crime, and that many more trials were pending. These victims can no longer seek justice and truth. Many secrets have now disappeared with this man. That's really sad for the families that were waiting for the truth to appear.
Morally, it's all about the death penalty debate. I think that's it's against human rights. By principle, whatever the man has done, neither death penalty nor torture should be used by a civilized and democratic country. Irak can't argue that they are after this execution.
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Re: Saddam Hussein question
December 31, 2006 - 11:58 AM
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He should not die. He would have to be imprisoned for life instead..
As for Iraq.. they have had a chance to abolish death penalty (which would make a them different from neioghbours where they also do capital punishment).
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Re: Saddam Hussein question
December 31, 2006 - 12:01 PM
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The timing of the execution proves it was a Shiitte revenge against Saddam. I watched the execution by the mobile phone and it was clear that the exectoners did not want to seek justice. It was a sectarian revenge with no respect to anything else. Needles to say that executing Saddam during the first day of Eid Al-Adha is deplorable.
May God Save Iraq!.
This post was edited on: 2006-12-31 at 12:02 PM by: Palestinian
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Re: Saddam Hussein question
December 31, 2006 - 03:02 PM
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this may be the first time I agree with Palestinian on anything -
I don't have a problem with executing Saddam - he was a monster and deserved to be put down like any rabid dog.
but watching the video and hearing all the executioners chanting "Muqtada" - clearly refering to Al Sadr - was a bit sickening.
instead of being about justice it was about revenge.
and more than that - they should have tried and convicted him of one of his other cimes - against the Kurds - or even better against the Sunni
the fact that a Shia government tried him for crimes against Shia and executed him chanting for Al Sadr made this seem very sectarian indeed.
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Re: Saddam Hussein question
December 31, 2006 - 04:02 PM
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I too agree wid palestianian .....n its like promoting sectarian and why was it happened on Eid ul Adha....I really feel sad that such thing happened on this day....though I too agree that he could have been given life imprision or the same verdict but some other day....but why on Eid Day ...a holy day...it pinches me....
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Re: Saddam Hussein question
December 31, 2006 - 04:45 PM
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I think that while the choosing of a holy day to kill a man considered by many as a physical manifestation of evil, is an interesting juxtaposition of metaphysical and real-world events on each other. Personally I think that the death penaltyis not the solution for war crimes and instead that he should have been sent to work at hard labour for his remaining years or come such and thus have him actually providing some meanial service to the society that he oppresed.
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Re: Saddam Hussein question
December 31, 2006 - 06:25 PM
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Saddams trial and execution was political from the start..to the end! I also watched the mobile phone footage of his final minutes..and I was sickened by it..and then his body was taken away in a pick-up truck..Hard to believe he was once a leader of Iraq..Besides that..I do not agree with the death penalty..and maybe they could have sentenced him to life in prison..
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Re: Saddam Hussein question
December 31, 2006 - 07:06 PM
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"Saddams trial and execution was political from the start..to the end!"
yes - it was -
but lets not forget that Saddam was guilty as sin - he deserved what he got - probably about a 1000 times over.
he used to rape the war widows whose husbands died fighting Iran -
so the fact that there was a political element to the trial does not change the fact or nature of his crimes.
he is guilty in any case - they could have convicted him in any court in any country on the abundance evidence and witnesses.
it is simply that the timing of the execution, the manner it was done and the nature of the trial marred any sense of justice.
which is a real shame
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Re: Saddam Hussein question
January 1, 2007 - 02:02 AM
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Guys,
You all are right about the way the execution was implemented. I personally cannot see the logic behind such a rush and executing him on the first day of Eid al-Adha. What was the purpose?
I also don't have a problem with executing such a murderous person. But he was executed for killing 141 Shiites in 1981 in response to an assassination attempt. But he had far greater crimes committed, killing 180,000 Kurds through the use of poisonous gas being above all, it seems to me.
Many European leaders disagreed with the execution, but President Bush's welcome shows his hypocrisy because Saddam was executed for crimes for which the US government turned a blind eye at the time and even embraced Saddam as an ally during subsequent years.
Arslan
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Re: Saddam Hussein question
January 1, 2007 - 02:05 AM
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The court did not want to continue with trying Saddam on Al-Anfal or invasion of Kuwait because it did not want to give him the opportunity to expose the Iranians and Americans on these events. It instead focused on a local event - Al-Dujail - to convict him.
It was a political game and has nothing to do with justice.
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Re: Saddam Hussein question
January 1, 2007 - 02:14 AM
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Arslanik wrote:
Guys,
You all are right about the way the execution was implemented. I personally cannot see the logic behind such a rush and executing him on the first day of Eid al-Adha. What was the purpose?
I also don't have a problem with executing such a murderous person. But he was executed for killing 141 Shiites in 1981 in response to an assassination attempt. But he had far greater crimes committed, killing 180,000 Kurds through the use of poisonous gas being above all, it seems to me.
Many European leaders disagreed with the execution, but President Bush's welcome shows his hypocrisy because Saddam was executed for crimes for which the US government turned a blind eye at the time and even embraced Saddam as an ally during subsequent years.
Arslan
Arslanik,
Regardless of what we think about Saddam., he deserves some respect for his calmity towards death. He uttered the shahada (almost twice) before he died while his executioners kept on cursing him neglecting he was about to die.
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Re: Saddam Hussein question
January 1, 2007 - 02:26 AM
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one agrees withPalestinian on the issue.
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Re: Saddam Hussein question
January 1, 2007 - 07:30 AM
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May Allah Bless His Soul and send him to Paradise, I and i think all the Muslism Ummah is upset for him,, We all Cry for him in our hearts,, but we dont mention it our sadness physically, America has really saddened our hearts,, Why u Americans are that much cruel, why,, How u killed Saddam on the Sacred Day of Islam, the day of Happiness. I admit he was not a good leader, but he must not have been treated like this, America u just did very wrong, and this will really cost highly for America in Future inshallah.
Regards Jalalzai Afghani
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Re: Saddam Hussein question
January 1, 2007 - 08:56 AM
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Death penalty is such an easy way out. It does not justify anything. I don't think the Iraquis want it to happen to him. Only some people, some powerful person want it to happen. We saw on tv the people rejoicing because of his death but it's only a small percentage. We didn't see people who mourn for his death. Maybe it's unfair. A lot of people may dislike him but a lot of people like him too. In the same way that a lot of people like Bush and a lot of people abhor him.
Will his death stop the violence? I don't think so. It will only cause further damage and violence. If we want peace, then we should use peaceful means. Only terrorists enjoy the site of death and chaos. Only terrorists create war. At this time, we should be very analytical and critical as to who our defenders or our violators are. Let's ask, how did his trial begin?
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