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ABen-Shema
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THE GREAT EVIL OF RELIGION
December 15, 2006 - 08:55 PM
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Practically every religion in the world teaches that its orthodox doctrines are uniquely correct or truthful. Surely they cannot all be correct, for only ONE can be the Truth! The question is: Which One? - if ANY???
There is an interesting radio interview on ths subject with the Gnostic author Robert A. Anderson which can be downloaded from the following site: Click Here.
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Re: THE GREAT EVIL OF RELIGION
December 17, 2006 - 08:03 PM
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Andy1945 wrote:
Practically every religion in the world teaches that its orthodox doctrines are uniquely correct or truthful. Surely they cannot all be correct, for only ONE can be the Truth! The question is: Which One? - if ANY???
Why do you think only one can be the truth? Why isn't it possible for ALL to be 'true' in the sense that they are all valid?
Could they not be different versions - seen from different cultures/countries/language - of the 'same story'? 
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Re: THE GREAT EVIL OF RELIGION
December 18, 2006 - 10:11 AM
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Religions do not teach their doctrines as truth. They, especially in their archaic forms, i.e. pre-sacred book period dating from approximately 6000 BC till 3500 BC (worship of the Woman Goddess, Snake or Bird, and of sacred lands), were providing means of understnading the nature and the world around. In later periods, religions took on more a tone of directing (based on these archaic experiences) of how to lead a good life. And in the modern times, religions are supposed to do the same.
There is no universal truth in this world, nor in any other "worlds." Every person, group, society, entity have their truths.
Recently, much of religious works have been in a sense "misinterpreted" and suffused by such words as true and false, which in my view is a wrong way to implement these texts.
Anyhow, I dont think religions, in their purest form, are sources of evil. Its their interpretators that might perpetuate evil and justify it religiously....
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Re: THE GREAT EVIL OF RELIGION
December 18, 2006 - 07:01 PM
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Dear Rerenga & mnopq,
From what each of you say in your replies, it is obvious that neither of you listened to the radio broadcast which was linked to my post. This interview is a crucial part of the explanation, which, if I was to write it all, would take up many pages of text. So, if you are really interested to know, just put your feet up for one hour and listen to this: CLICK HERE.
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Re: THE GREAT EVIL OF RELIGION
December 20, 2006 - 04:36 AM
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Andy1945 wrote:
Dear Rerenga & mnopq,
From what each of you say in your replies, it is obvious that neither of you listened to the radio broadcast which was linked to my post. This interview is a crucial part of the explanation, which, if I was to write it all, would take up many pages of text. So, if you are really interested to know, just put your feet up for one hour and listen to this: CLICK HERE.
no body needs it, when the allegation is prima facie wrong, what is the need of listening to speeches.
no revealed religion condemned other, or said the former is wrong. me, a student of islamic law studied comparative religions in a subject. islam never said this is the truth and nothing else. according to Quran even jesus christ when talked in his cradle said a propeht will come follwoing me and his name will be ahmad. so how could islam then deny the truth of orginial bible or christianity.
as a requirement of islamic law we have to believe in jesus, moses and all other messengers.
a source of islmaic law is the "rule laid down by former religions". so when any body says one religion denies the truthfulness of other, i believe he misunderstood the religion he is talking about.
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Re: THE GREAT EVIL OF RELIGION
December 26, 2006 - 06:35 AM
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 I believe that everyone has a right to believe in his or her religion.The problem comes when one wants to foult other peoples believes.Since allof us were not there when they begun, why don't we just accept the fact that either all of the religions could be good and look at the fundamental aspects that are shared by them such as the need for LOVE and HUMILITY towards one another or all of them are not the best but atleast they offer a starting point for us to survive on earth.
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Re: THE GREAT EVIL OF RELIGION
December 27, 2006 - 06:06 PM
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I think they all came for the same reason, I mean to get people living better, whehter by promising them to reach heaven and threat them with hell, or by any other mean.
But now, people know better what's right and what's wrong, religion is only becoming a way in setting them a part.
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Re: THE GREAT EVIL OF RELIGION
December 28, 2006 - 08:00 AM
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Solo-sy wrote:
I think they all came for the same reason, I mean to get people living better, whehter by promising them to reach heaven and threat them with hell, or by any other mean.
But now, people know better what's right and what's wrong, religion is only becoming a way in setting them a part.
Indeed what you are saying is quite right. and it has always my personal veiw that all these religion are man made idiologies.They are quite helpful to the societies however it is the same men and wemen who mis-use them for personal gain.
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Re: THE GREAT EVIL OF RELIGION
December 28, 2006 - 08:44 PM
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yeah erioch, in connection to your reply with the title of the thread, I think the great evil of any religion comes from mis-using it.. Unfortunatly, religion is highly related to power, to money, and of course for this relation, it's also related to wars and conflicts.
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Re: THE GREAT EVIL OF RELIGION
December 30, 2006 - 04:17 AM
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Nobody has commented on the radio interview that I provided a link to in the leading post on this thread. Did anyone listen to it? I will give the link again - I would really like to hear your comments - JUST CLICK HERE!
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Re: THE GREAT EVIL OF RELIGION
December 31, 2006 - 11:39 AM
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Religion - as it becomes organised it becomes political as well..
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Re: THE GREAT EVIL OF RELIGION
January 1, 2007 - 11:33 AM
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Katulus wrote:
Religion - as it becomes organised it becomes political as well..
I agree. But religion when it becomes organized it does not only become political but commercial as well.
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Re: THE GREAT EVIL OF RELIGION
January 5, 2007 - 12:43 AM
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Andy1945 wrote:
Nobody has commented on the radio interview that I provided a link to in the leading post on this thread. Did anyone listen to it? I will give the link again - I would really like to hear your comments - JUST CLICK HERE!
I liked it very much. Its quite logical and I agree with many of his ideas.
But not many can accept it. Organised religion has a very strong hold on people's thinking process and makes them unable to open up their minds to criticism and open for new experience.
People keep on fighting in the name of organised religion not 'God' !
Actually 'God' is nowhere in the picture !
God is higher Knowledge and it exists within each one of us. An enlightening experience will make us realise its existence.
For those who want to know more about Robert A Anderson's book , you can check this out ;
[i]Here is a truly outstanding book about religious Gnosis, called the
"Church of God? or The Temples of Satan."
It criticises world religions for their lack of Spiritual Knowledge and perception, and blames them for the Spiritual ignorance, intolerance, and hatred which, it claims, is the root of worldwide terrorism. The book also accuses all religions of being nothing more than "temples of Satanism" and ignorance.
As far as Christianity is concerned, the author builds a strong case indicating that its orthodox doctrines did not originate from Jesus, but from St. Paul; and that Paul’s behaviour demonstrated many symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia and narcissism. These observations are supported by detailed study and quotations from various sources. Early Christian scribes and theologians are also accused of editing, corrupting, mistranslating, misinterpreting, and even destroying many of the ancient texts. Other world religions are also categorized in a similar way. None, according to the author, represent the genuine teachings and revelations of their historic Master(s) or Prophet(s).
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Re: THE GREAT EVIL OF RELIGION
January 5, 2007 - 12:45 AM
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Clear and persuasive evidence also indicates that Jesus was not the first and only Messiah, but simply one in a long succession of such "god-men." The book is not anti-God, far from it! Indeed, the author claims to have experienced Divine revelations himself. He explains his own Spiritual experiences of meditation in great detail, and describes how they differ from what St. Paul claims to have experienced. In fact, the central theme of the book explains how every seeker of Truth may actually achieve, here and now, true Enlightenment and Gnosis - the very purpose of life!
The book also provides evidence that so-called Christianity actually teaches in opposition to Jesus. For instead of revealing personal Gnosis and Experience (or Vision) of God here and now (as, it claims, Jesus did), religions only offer theories and speculation – a variety of erroneous theological beliefs, empty promises, futile exoteric rites and rituals, and false hopes for the future – nothing more than blind faith in words and hollow repetitious prayer. [/i]
Gnosis
The word gnosis (from the Greek word for knowledge, γνώσις) refers to a form of spiritual knowledge that is more commonly familiar to people as enlightenment. The word is cognate (from Proto-Indo-European) with the Sanskrit word gnana (pronounced nyana - also spelled jnana) that has an equivalent meaning in Buddhist and Hindu spiritual treatises. In Theravada Buddhism the word for gnosis is añña (lit. 'highest knowledge'). The knowledge to which gnosis refers is that of the unconditioned ground (and source) of phenomenal reality, variously called Brahman (The Upanisads); the Dharmakaya (Mahayana Buddhism); the Tao (Tao Te Ching) and God (Theistic religion). One who having followed a spiritual path in order to return to the origin and arrived at this transcendental knowledge is called a gnostic (Gnani or Jnani in Sanskrit and Hindi). Gnostic also refers to a follower of one of various near eastern schools of self-realisation flourishing during the early Christian era.
P.S. I havent read the book .
I am only refering to the radio interview given by Robert A Anderson.
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Re: THE GREAT EVIL OF RELIGION
January 5, 2007 - 07:52 AM
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Andy1945 wrote:
Practically every religion in the world teaches that its orthodox doctrines are uniquely correct or truthful. Surely they cannot all be correct, for only ONE can be the Truth! The question is: Which One? - if ANY???
There is an interesting radio interview on ths subject with the Gnostic author Robert A. Anderson which can be downloaded from the following site: Click Here.
I do not believe that there is only one true religion and that there is only one absolute doctrine that should we follow. Look how different we are: races, features, culture and so on. If we look at nature some trees are tall and slender, some are tall and big, some are short. The redness of a rose also varies. This means that we are different, in the same way that we have different beliefs. What is truthful is what you believe in.
I read Koran, the Bible, Gita, Kabbalah and so on and all of them fascinated me. I found truths in each of them and their differences were the ones attracted me the most. If you ask me which one I truly believe in, I'd say all of them.
Religion is not evil. It's the person's way of using it. This reminds us of the Lord of the Rings where power is neutral and only the one who posseses the power makes it bad or good.
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