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So, Augusto Pinochet is dead
December 10, 2006 - 01:15 PM
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So, Augusto Pinochet is dead. And there are no lights the crimes commited during the dictadure were never cleared out. And the people are claiming for justice. What do you think about this last minute news?
This post was edited on: 2006-12-10 at 03:10 PM by: angelusgutmann
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Re: So, Augusto Pinochet is dead
December 10, 2006 - 01:21 PM
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They will have to do something like South Africans did after the fall apartheid regime...
So that nation gets thru the "Catharsis"period. To realise what was done wrong and that wrongdoings must be dealth with and problems resolved.
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Re: So, Augusto Pinochet is dead
December 10, 2006 - 03:09 PM
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I'm not sure they will ever do something like that, and with "they" I mean sprecifically the government. Maybe some international organizations could ask for amswers, like Baltasar Garzón did, but there has to be a lot of work in the mentality of the people and the political structure in order to make some justice. In the meantime, victims are still claiming for answers.
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Re: So, Augusto Pinochet is dead
December 10, 2006 - 03:23 PM
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I think this event it´s dividing the country people are celebreting and some others crying in front of the hospital where he died, I´m from chile, I had the experience, I was 5 times with him , in many cities and diffrent years, I feel so weird, it´s something that I just can´t explain, I can´t understand how people support someone who has killed who has taken away so many lives, who has made suffer so many people, what about the ones who lost their relatives, what about those who lost their parents, what about those who lost their kids, what about those who were tortured, what about those that had to leave the country cuz they´re were not allowed to stay, this he doesn´t deserve any honorable funeral, he doesn´t deserve any respect, I hope god could forgive him, cuz this country will never do.
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Re: So, Augusto Pinochet is dead
December 10, 2006 - 06:00 PM
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Chileans need to collectively resolve issues related to Pinochet. It's always tough when one set of people have strong positive feelings for a leader and others, with due reason, have very negative feelings.
Russians have understood that Stalin was a tyrant but did do a few good things for the country.
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Re: So, Augusto Pinochet is dead
December 10, 2006 - 07:16 PM
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To understand that dictators like did good things is necessary and noble, but there has to be truth and reparation of the victims in the first place. A nation cannot heal when it has seen its own people dissapear, being tortured or being killed... In this case there was no place for punishment, because, by the way, his family always asked pardon because he was sick... The trials were a joke and now no one will repair hundreds of thousands of wounds, one for each chilean who suffered during this period and after it.
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Re: So, Augusto Pinochet is dead
December 10, 2006 - 08:00 PM
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Angela,
I agree with your sentiments. What do you think is the right step forward for Chile now?
Some sort of truth and reconciliation council like Katulus suggested? A mechanism for financial reparations?
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Re: So, Augusto Pinochet is dead
December 10, 2006 - 09:09 PM
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the damage it´s done, it´s something that we cannot repair, ppl could forgive but it´s not taking those lives back, no one it´s going to give us back the ones we loved, I think it´s gonna be hard for the country to forgive specially when there has been o justice, he never suffered as people did, that will never change, there´s this empty space in every heart, I understand how they feel, I´ve lost relatives in war, though I was not born yet when all tis happene I lost family , he caused lot of damage to my family and to all the country, he could have done quite good things for the country, but there´s no reason to kill inocents, it not a reason to kill the ones who think diffrent , I just can´t admire someone so dirty, someone so evil, even when he´s dead he wil keep making ppl suffer cuz they will never get the justice they were claiming for all this years.
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Re: So, Augusto Pinochet is dead
December 10, 2006 - 10:41 PM
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Pinoche's sickness does not negate his wrongdoings toward his people.
Every tyrant will face justice - dead or alive!.
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Re: So, Augusto Pinochet is dead
December 10, 2006 - 10:47 PM
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Pinochet is dead. But Kissinger is alive. And he is the person who needs to be brought to the court of trials. 90 percent of Pinochet's army supporters were the graduates of the School of the Americas at Fort Benning, Georgia. More than that, the CIA was with the Pinochet from the very beginning. Nixon personally authorized at least 10,000,000 dollars for Pinochet's coup to take place.
This factor should not be ignored either.
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Re: So, Augusto Pinochet is dead
December 10, 2006 - 11:02 PM
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I completely agree with Arslan about Kissinger but I don't see how anyone will initiate proceedings against him.
Vicky,
I understand how you feel. I hope that somehow Chile and its wonderful people can move on from the tumult of the Pinochet era.
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Re: So, Augusto Pinochet is dead
December 10, 2006 - 11:13 PM
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I also sympathize with the Chilean people. I believe the reparations still need to be made, insufficient though they are.
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Re: So, Augusto Pinochet is dead
December 11, 2006 - 04:54 AM
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When people have suffered so much damage, there is no money that can compensate it. For what other processes teach us, what victims really want is the criminals to be prosecuted and the crimes never to be forgotten. Chilean victims lost their chance to prosecute the murderer, and now there has to be eternal remembrance of the people who suffered. And Chile will learn to forgive, and not because the governments gave them the chance to have justice, but because, as the rest of the people who have been in similar conflicts, they will go on. Only because, just as people from Rwanda, they will take their destiny in their own hands and freely decide to forgive, even understanding that the ones who had the power to bring justice, didn't.
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Re: So, Augusto Pinochet is dead
December 16, 2006 - 02:50 PM
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Natoinal Security Archive posted declassified documents on Pinochet's human rights violatins and the US-Chile Relationship.
Several US officials realized that they were dealing with "fascists and torturers," to borrow a phrase from themselves. While some officials like William Rogers were arguing that human rights issue should be first on agenda, Kissinger insisted on support for Pinochet (there is a memo of conversation between Kissinger and Pinochet among the documents).
Read on.
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Re: So, Augusto Pinochet is dead
December 17, 2006 - 08:01 AM
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Arslanik wrote:
While some officials like William Rogers were arguing that human rights issue should be first on agenda, Kissinger insisted on support for Pinochet
Arslan
Sure he did, Kissinger and Pinochet--they're both the same.
"Pinochet's death has denied his victims a final judicial reckoning," said Peter Kornbluh, who directs the Archive's Chile Documentation Project. "But the declassified documents do contribute to the ultimate verdict of history on his atrocities."
With his death or not, the truth is still gonna be truth.
Well anyway, isn't it ironic that he died on Dec 10? the day we celebrate the mighty human rights?
It just sounds weird to me.
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