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[Poll] War In Iraq
March 25, 2003 - 08:21 AM
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Ok the war in Iraq is affecting everyone around the world including the people from Iraq. Bush isn't there because he wants to treat the Iraqi people fairly he justs wants to have the totol ten percent of the oil in the world which happens to be in Iraq. Face it he justs wants to kill Saddam Hussien because without him in power what kind of person in Iraq would likely to fight George Bush and his massive Army. Why would Bush do this, this is only a one day goof killing Saddam Hussein and taking the oil away from Iraq and just gaining power but still by killing hundred and thousands of innocent people if I were Bush I would save those lives and reach an agreement with Saddam Hussien.That would be it and we would have peace but face reality no peace no nothing may god have mercy on us all and to those people in Iraq. God Bless
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Why War On Iraq
March 27, 2003 - 01:58 AM
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Why War on Iraq,
Becasue she is Muslim Country, She has Oil resouces.
on the other side Israel is killing inocent peoples,
Have we seen any example in the world, that in one side people have stones in their hand and another side TANKS defeating them.
WHY, Are we Civilized People?
In this world nobody is there to stop Bush Killing Inocent people!
Shame on us!
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Re: War In Iraq
March 27, 2003 - 03:41 AM
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There is much anti American/ anti Israeli sentiment on these pages and really all these issues are far to complicated for this kind of rhetoric - it shows a lack of understanding - particularly where Israel is concerned. These people have very legitimate security concerns - for decades the Arab countries have been trying to 'throw them into the sea'
In the 6 day war 5 Arab countries simply attacked Israel on Yom Kippur - that is like Attacking a Christian country on Christmas - with the goal of eradicating the Jews.
At some level the Jews are just tired of getting hit - the country was founded by survivors of the Hollocaust who just wanted a country of their own and to be left alone.
It has gotten to the point where the Jews are just hitting back with everything they have at the slightest provication and it is because they have determined in their minds that they are not going to take abuse any more.
I think if the Arabs stopped threatening them you would be amazed at the change in Israeli behavior - but at this point who knows, perhapes too much blood has been shed for this.
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Re: War In Iraq
March 27, 2003 - 06:57 AM
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I do tend to agree that the US/Israeili Alliance cops a fair bit across the TIG discussion boards, but I think there may be a reason for it.
Setting aside the many complexities of the issues, there seems to be an overriding perception problem on both sides of the equation. Many outside the US sphere of influence (and some inside), see the actions of the USA and Israel over the past 50 years as typically belligerent. Israel, from what I can gather, has been an Arab bone of contention since the Balfour Declaration, and has been the target of much frustration because of the perception that they have been unfairly aided by the US.
Many people inside the US and the West in general, see the problem as emerging from the perception that the Arab's are being obstinate and intolerant. Which, to some extent is true. What I would note, however, is the obstinance of some neo-conservatives in the US and hardliners in the Likud (sic.) party to consider the complex issues on the Arab side of the issue.
So, luke, to rebound your last thought in the previous post; I think if the US/Israeli alliance stopped being perceived as a threat you would be amazed at the change in Arab behaviour.
There are many overgeneralisations existing all around the world. I would consider the blind following of the US administration just as unacceptable as the blind following of anti-American (foreign policy) rhetoric. That's where I see networks like TIG as useful; through it, normal people around the world can exchange perceptions, ideas and knowledge to examine issues more thoroughly than by single line assertions to truth.
Mossy
PS - can someone please explain to me how war is related to oil? I still don't get it, some clarification would be appreciated.
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Re: War In Iraq
March 27, 2003 - 07:47 AM
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Oil.
Mossy. This war isn't about oil.
Im coming to believe that this war isn't over anything too specific. The hawks in Washington would love us to believe thats it's about freeing the Iraqi people from a regime that has waltzed its way out of every international agreement forced upon itself.
But we all know better than to see through the political diatribe, dont we?
So, is this just the son trying to finish the father's business?
No. There are just too many people in the machine for it to be that reason. Too many obstacles. Too many voices.
Then what is it?
This war, in my opinion, is about self-interest. The focus of the United States - unfortunately - is not to pressure the world's despots and dictators into giving up their murderous regimes.
But what is really not clear, is what self-interest means in this context. Is it in the self-interest of the U.S to stabilise the mid-east? Is this the right way to do it? This war is triggering instability all throughout the region and throughout the world. Is it about oil? No. Iraq just doesn't have the production capacity. And it won't for a long time.
This war is about survival. Its about reassuring the world that America can stand against and conquer its enemies, however decentralised or radical they are. Its about succeeding in the war on terror, and this is where the U.S is tragically wrong.
Unfortunately success is impossible. You cannot meet a despot on his own terms. You have to kill him with kindness. Placing an army against him will only validate his means and the methods of all those who have resorted to violence before him.
Great things will happen if the U.S were to overthrow Saddam. But the cost is too high and the goal impossible to reach. And it is not what the U.S really wants after all. For Saddam is not one man, he is a mtaphor. One that represents all tyranny and oppression in the world today. He's not the only one, but for now he'll do to gain our attention.
Where there exists suffering, there exists fear and hatred. Down that path are tommorow's terrorists.
The tragedy of war, is war itself.
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Re: War In Iraq
March 27, 2003 - 08:41 AM
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The war in Iraq is into its 8th day today. Casulties in hundreds have already been recorded on both sides.
It have been reiterated over and over again that war is not the right answer at this stage; even worse off without the backing of the United Nations Security Council.
I do not know what Mr. Bush, Blair, & their so-called allieds have resulted to mount an aggression against the People of Iraq on the pretext of the so-called Operation free Iraq. It seems crazy to me to use War as an avenue of serving Humanity. Which good mankind action is result from it, anyway?!
Apart from the fact that war suffers the political, social, economical, and environment condition of every Country; War itself is the greatest of all crimes against Humanity.
I do not know but I think Bush has decided to take up this legacy from his Father. A family's grievance (as someone told me some days) should not be allowed to spread through to an International Affair, & over-throne International Politics.
It is more than crystal clear that Bush has crossed the rubicorn, & he is ready to do all within his reach to remove Saddam. Everyone knows for sure that Saddam is very unpedictable, a man who eats his words...
The war is more into its beginning than the end. All is left for us to pray that the number of casulties would be as minimal as never.
I do not know what more to say. Just continue to pray for peace and stability in our today's world.
Peace.
Ayodeji
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Re: War In Iraq
March 28, 2003 - 01:36 AM
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War in Iraq- that seems to be all we ever see on TV these days. Oil is definitely a focal point but shame on those who say no blood for oil cos it certainly isnt all about the oil.Why would Bush or Blair go to a costly war when instead they could just get UN to remove the trade embargo on Iraqi exports?
The coalition is trying hard to convince us that this is about good versus evil but on whose definitions?
granted the WMDs Saddam still probably possesses are a threat to a post-Sep11 US but is war really the answer to containing that threat? If not, what other way is there seeing as the near-failure of the weapons inspection?
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Re: War In Iraq
March 28, 2003 - 05:29 AM
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couple things - I really don't think this war is about containment but rather the opposite - destruction of the regeime and there is some validity to the idea that containment has not been a successful strategy in the past.
This is not about oil but rather power politics and the geopolitical position of Iraq in the larger context of the middle east.
The reason they are not going to lift the embargo, and why it would be counter productive to their goals is that the embargo is set up to stop materials that can be usedto make WMD'S from entering the country.
Obviously the Likud party are hardliners and represents the more extreme elements inside Israel - but there is a reason they are in power - because ordinary Israeli's are scared - many of these people have never known peace, never known a time when their neighbors did not hate them for being a Jewish country in an Arab part of the world. The Dhimmi will never be forgiven for leaving their positions as second class citizens and forming a country of their own.
These paople have leaned the hard way, of the value of a good, aggressive military and it is really unfortunate.
Think about it - as a peace offering the Arab legue recently offered to recognize their legitimate existance - this was last year and Israel has existed for over 50 years. doesn't it seem odd that they should be thankful after half a century that rest of the region might recognise their right to exist? Is it any wonder they support a militant gov't?
This is one of the oldest cultures on earth, which has been nearly wiped out, fighting for their right to exist.
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