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Masturbation: Pros and Cons
December 1, 2006 - 12:07 PM
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Hello,
One of my greatest happiness about the internet is that we have been able to blog away and say our mind without fear being directly and reprimanded. Although this has its unsavoury side effects, the good side is more.
To my point. What do you think about masturbation? Well, i want you to talk without any religious sentiment first,then you can go ahead and tell us what your holy book says about it. I have heard so many things about it myself; like that it leads to loss of hair, loss of memory, back pain and so many other side effects. Then I think also that it leads to low self-esteem and a sense of guilt which I must admit accompanies a moral bias. Again, there is the danger of, in men, premature ejaculation, pain in the organ and urinary track ifnections. Then, what do you think about all these things. Is it healthy/or worth it when people do this or not?
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Re: Masturbation: Pros and Cons
December 1, 2006 - 12:26 PM
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This thread has been moved to Health and wellness forum where it belongs.
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Re: Masturbation: Pros and Cons
December 2, 2006 - 11:50 AM
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Nice move I guess.
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Re: Masturbation: Pros and Cons
December 2, 2006 - 11:19 PM
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The only scientifically valid "con" is that having a girlfriend is much better
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Re: Masturbation: Pros and Cons
December 3, 2006 - 03:39 AM
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lol
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Re: Masturbation: Pros and Cons
December 22, 2006 - 05:23 PM
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Nobody seems to have given an answer to your question.....I remember reading about Freud saying that if sexual arousal/desire is not met, either through masturbation or sex, it could lead to either artistic expressions or lead to neurosis.
In my point of you, masturbation is a good way of letting sexual tension go but also a very good introduction into sexual intercourse if done with a partner.
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Re: Masturbation: Pros and Cons
January 8, 2007 - 02:07 PM
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Addressing the guilt complex that is often associated with masturbation, I think it depends on the society and paradigm you were raised on. In Toronto for example, I've heard a range of answers to this question, from "Don't to it EVER it's flat up wrong!" to "I think it's a constructive outlet for otherwise bottled sexual tension."
I tend to agree with the latter. As a teen myself the tension that is put on anything sexual in my society is massive. Some pro's could be that you aren't ready for sex or sexual acts because you don't feel comfortable but this doesn't necessarily mean that you have no sexual urges. Sex is about comfort levels.
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Re: Masturbation: Pros and Cons
April 19, 2007 - 01:38 PM
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I think Masturbation in itself has got some problems to go with it. One is that once one has gone into it it is sometimes heard to come out and basically like every addiction, once one has taken masturbation as a second nature, stopping it becomes a problem. I am also thinking that in line psychological analysis, it makes one unable to get into realtionships with the opposite sex while it increases the chances of homosexuality.
An important part o the issue is the moral attachment it goes with. In my place where I grew up it is such a taboo that I can hardly remember it ever having been mentioned.
The question remains not quite answered. What are the pros and cons of this: both morally, physically/medical and very importantly, psychologically.
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Re: Masturbation: Pros and Cons
April 20, 2007 - 12:25 PM
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ifebuche wrote:
I think Masturbation in itself has got some problems to go with it. One is that once one has gone into it it is sometimes heard to come out and basically like every addiction, once one has taken masturbation as a second nature, stopping it becomes a problem. I am also thinking that in line psychological analysis, it makes one unable to get into realtionships with the opposite sex while it increases the chances of homosexuality.
An important part o the issue is the moral attachment it goes with. In my place where I grew up it is such a taboo that I can hardly remember it ever having been mentioned.
The question remains not quite answered. What are the pros and cons of this: both morally, physically/medical and very importantly, psychologically.
Although I'm not a scientist, I'm pretty sure that there are no studies linking masturbation to homosexuality.
But I guess the stigmas, stereotypes, and urban legends surrounding masturbation are what this thread is looking to deconstruct.
Here in Canada sexuality is beginning to be discussed more openly, but there is still a lot of shame and embarrassment out there. I think the key is to keep communicating. As long as people's desires fall within the legal realm, it's important to let people know that they are not "freaks" for wanting to have sex, and for looking for safe means of sexual release.
I imagine there are a lot of people who would disagree and say that more permissive views of sexuality lead to the moral degredation of a society, but I think that a happy, healthy society is one which functions well. And let's face it, sex is a part of life (for most anyway). And sexual desire is certainly a part of life. I think it's time to acknowledge that.
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Re: Masturbation: Pros and Cons
April 20, 2007 - 11:26 PM
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Personally, I have never heard of any valid modern study that links normal masturbation to anything harmful. Just like anything else done in excess (for example, eating too much candy, watching too much TV, drinking too much alcohol) too much masturbation could be harmful if it affects a person's daily functioning. However, for MOST people this is not the case and is a healthy aspect of life.
Stigmas against sexuality generally only create problems and tend to be gender-biased. I feel, that masturbation shouldn't be stigmatized because by doing so it creates attitudes of shame about our bodies. Masturbation can give people the chance to feel more comfortable with their bodies and understand their own desires and needs more fully. This can empower people to make more healthy choices about their sexual life, in my opinion.
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Re: Masturbation: Pros and Cons
April 23, 2007 - 03:00 PM
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I think we are only trying to be as secular as we can afford to be and this is the very danger creeping smartly into every modern system and then the notion that 'it is my life' and so one can do anything one wants with it. the caveat here is that we should watch selfishness to the detriment of divine purpose.
Even if we say we say that we do not subscribe to this sect or a religious movement does it void the fact that life as we know it has a link with something beyond the realm of everyday living we are all so well accustomed to. The fact that we have some consciousness is one thing science has been unable to delve into for obvious reasons: that it is beyond human understanding. If this is so, there seems to be a divinity that ordered things (let us leave out the nature of the divinity).
Man's life is aimed at not only individual good but selfless service and a reaching out to others. The moment strife comes is is usually when we decide to bottle ourselves up and start seeking interests that are overtly personal. This is what masturbation seems to encourage. Soon the person involved if care is not taken gets to feel only him or herself excluding others. This seems to be psychological issue.
I have said the above so that we can be able to appaise the situation and see if we really have good grounds on which to support mastubation.
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Re: Masturbation: Pros and Cons
April 27, 2007 - 10:47 PM
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ifebuche wrote:
I think we are only trying to be as secular as we can afford to be and this is the very danger creeping smartly into every modern system and then the notion that 'it is my life' and so one can do anything one wants with it. the caveat here is that we should watch selfishness to the detriment of divine purpose.
Even if we say we say that we do not subscribe to this sect or a religious movement does it void the fact that life as we know it has a link with something beyond the realm of everyday living we are all so well accustomed to. The fact that we have some consciousness is one thing science has been unable to delve into for obvious reasons: that it is beyond human understanding. If this is so, there seems to be a divinity that ordered things (let us leave out the nature of the divinity).
Man's life is aimed at not only individual good but selfless service and a reaching out to others. The moment strife comes is is usually when we decide to bottle ourselves up and start seeking interests that are overtly personal. This is what masturbation seems to encourage. Soon the person involved if care is not taken gets to feel only him or herself excluding others. This seems to be psychological issue.
I have said the above so that we can be able to appaise the situation and see if we really have good grounds on which to support mastubation.
First, being selfish is bad whether you believe in God or not.
Second, you could really use a scientific link between masturbation and selfish behavior. Otherwise your argument lacks force.
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Re: Masturbation: Pros and Cons
April 28, 2007 - 07:16 AM
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I do not think it would take an Einstein to see some relationship between masturbation and selfishness (which here i decide to call self-centredness). There must not be scientific proof to make everything true. If it were so, scientists could have given us an answer concerning the hard problem of consciousness. How is it that the physical phenomenon of the aroma from a cake is able to create some effect on the consciousness of the perciever of cake and not another thing? That it is yet to be explained is does not mean that there is no connection becasue each person is aware of the aroma. I do not want to go into the problem attempted an answer by Chalmers et al. Still there is a relationship between masturbation and self-centredness. (I have decided not to look into whether it is appropriate to be selfcentred and why so ornot).
Human sexuality from all intent was geared towards a union between two subjects. Going by the most basic evidence which is the conjugal organs, one is meant to enter the other. Sexual drive in organisms (man inclusive) apart from bringing about some ectstasy or at least some satisfaction, moves towards perpetuity of the species involved. The satisfaction would seem to be eventual to the main design for sex. Today, the opposite is the case.
It is not difficult to see that when the sexual act is not directed towards another, it is going pervert, to say the least, becomes self...
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April 28, 2007 - 12:44 PM
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Ifebuche, I suggest you find a way to take a course in neurobiology if it is available to you. It would clarify how the human mind translates the senses into perception and perception into memory. You referenced an explanation by Chalmers et al as being somehow wrong, but I don't recognize the name and there seem to be many Chalmers on the net who write research papers.
And yes, masturbation is somewhat selfish. The question is whether one nondestructive selfish behavior leads to different and destructive selfish behaviors. I'm not saying that it can't possibly be true, just that its a testable hypothesis that should be investigated and hasn't.
I suspect that we will reach an impasse. I say to myself "I think this will happen, so I will test to see if it really does happen," where you say "I think this will happen, so I do not need to test it." It is not my right to judge, but you should understand that your line of argument will not be very effective for convincing people like me.
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April 28, 2007 - 01:13 PM
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You seem to either have read my post hurriedly or failed to see where I was going. A course in neurobniology would be really wonderful to widen my base of knowledge on many things but the origin and mode of consciousness. As you noted "I suggest you find a way to take a course in neurobiology if it is available to you. It would clarify how the human mind translates the senses into perception and perception into memory." I am not entirely surprised that you refered to this. Now, to make it easier, in philosophy of mind the problem of consciousness has two parts: one of them is the hard aspect of it. What I quoted you say only tackles the easy part of it: the process of the nerves getting info by means of the senses then sending such through the central nervous system to the brain which interprets the message and gives directions on what to do et cetera. This is the very physical process of it. The hard problem of it is how these physical process are able to produce a totally abstract phenomenon: 'consciousness.' this is one of the things science is yet to prove/demonstrate which despite the case is a reality. I was talking of David Chalmers, professor of philosophy at the Austrilian National University. you can get to his site here http://consc.net/chalmers/
Coming to your last point, you will note that hardly any of my statements are totally categorical, at best I leave then open. This is because I am trying to get as much info as I can get on the issue of masturbation. Then as a graduate of philosophy I have learnt that it is not always proper to make very categorical statements unless you are quite sure. That I think sonething will happen like you rightly said does not mean that will happen. But that was not the structure of my argument. It would rather be like this: after the rain, draingages are usually flooded. I come out this morning and see the drainages flooded, then I can safely try to assume there was likely a downpour. This is not being sure there was a downpour. It makes more sense to check out...
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