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Pakistan parliament backs rape bill
November 23, 2006 - 06:12 PM
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Definately a step in the right direction.
it is good to see an unject law amended and progress towards womens rights take place.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/13C7642B-D961-4580-BCD2-DB94DC590DAF.htm
Pakistan's parliament has approved a controversial bill aimed at helping victims of rape, despite strong protests from muslim politicians who claim the legislation violates Islamic law.
The bill is set to go before Pervez Musharraf, the Pakistani president, who is expected to ratify the document.
President Musharraf has been a strong supporter of changing contentious sections of the 1979 Hudood Ordinance, or rape law, as a way of softening the country's hard-line Islamic image and appeasing moderates and human rights groups opposed to the statutes.
Activists have long condemned the laws for punishing, instead of protecting, rape victims while providing legal safeguards for their attackers.
But conservatives and opposition supporters have rallied to keep the old laws, which were introduced by general Zia ul-Haq, the sixth president of Pakistan, to make laws more Islamic.
The new law would drop the death penalty for people found to have had sex outside of marriage, and empowers judges with the ability to try a rape case in a criminal court or an Islamic court.
Under the Hudood Ordinance, rape victims can only raise a case in the Islamic court, which requires testimony from four witnesses to the crime.
"The approval of the bill by the Senate is a great thing," said Mehnaz Rafi, a female politician who has worked to change the law for 27 years.
"Today, the senate gave protection and justice to women."
Under the new law, consensual non-marital sex remains a crime, but it is punishable by five years in prison or a 10,000 rupees ($165) fine instead of death.
International and local calls for change intensified after the 2002 gang-rape of a woman, Mukhtar Mai, who was assaulted after a tribal council in her eastern Punjab village ordered the rape as punishment for her 13-year-old brother's alleged affair with a woman of a higher caste.
Ahead of Thursday's vote, senator Khurshid Ahmed, leader of the opposition religious coalition, condemned the bill as "an attempt to promote an alien culture and secularism in Pakistan".
Discussion on the new bill broke down in September after the government failed to win support from opposition Islamic groups, particularly for abolishing the need for four witnesses to a rape, which is a crime that often has no bystanders.
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Re: Pakistan parliament backs rape bill
November 29, 2006 - 04:13 AM
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"Under the new law, consensual non-marital sex remains a crime, but it is punishable by five years in prison or a 10,000 rupees ($165) fine instead of death."
Actually this is a very interesting topic. I think the main question here is not about Islam, and its laws. It is about are you willing to keep the laws set by God or not.
The problem nowadays, that everybody is holding a grudge against Islam, although people seem not to know their own religion. It is very interesting really. Now, in the OT the following orders are supposed to be given by the God to Moses, in the book of Leveticus 20:
9 " 'If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on his own head.
10 " 'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
11 " 'If a man sleeps with his father's wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
12 " 'If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.
13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
14 " 'If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you.
15 " 'If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal.
16 " 'If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
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Re: Pakistan parliament backs rape bill
November 29, 2006 - 04:13 AM
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Now, if you notice the orders to Moses "MUST", and it is an order given directly by God to Moses, that this should be fulfilled. This is in the OT, so it should be followed by Jews, and the OT is also a part of the bible, so should be followed by Christians (but of course, they think otherwise). Not just thsex outside marriage, but even homosexuality here is punished by death. So, I guess it is a matter of belief, whether you are a Jew or a Muslim, do you believe in God?? If you do, shouldn't you follow his orders?? But, as usual people are trying to fish for something wrong only in Islam. The second point, in Islam, in order to put an adultrer or adulteress to death for having unlawful sex, you need 4 eye witnesses, who are facing the penalty of being whipped if one of them withdraw his testimony. This makes it almost impossible to apply the punishment, and if it happens the punishment is preserving the society from the spread of sin. If you believe in God, whether you are Jew, Christian, or Muslim, it doesn't matter you like it or not. In an Islamic country, the Islamic law should prevail, if you don't like it you should move out. Why do you obey the silliest law in any foreign country you visit?? You are visiting this life, and God set the rules. It is as simple as that. Once again it is not about Islam. If the Jews are not applying or following direct orders from God to them, that is there problem, why do you want to force it on others?
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Re: Pakistan parliament backs rape bill
December 14, 2006 - 01:29 PM
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It's very good that the bill has finally been passed (though, the 4-witness law makes it completely useless) and it's definitely a step in the right direction.
To correct you though, the christian faith falls under many, many sects and beliefs and a vast majority of those follow the NT rather than the OT. It's been found by many that the OT is much more pessimistic than the NT, and encourages a lot of things which have been found as cruel. Primary followers of the OT happen to be of the Catholic faith, who often refuse to marry outside of their faith because of the now huge difference between the OT and NT.
Personally, I'm happy that the government is finally placing in a law like this. It'd be great if it were actually usable, but it still does go to show that females within the Pakistanian boarders are finally being protected for things like this. I'm well aware that just because the law is passed doesn't mean that all of it will be respected, but still, once again, it's a step--no, leap in the right direction. I can only hope that it conitinues to go uphill from this...
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Re: Pakistan parliament backs rape bill
December 14, 2006 - 06:52 PM
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convivial wrote:
To correct you though, the christian faith falls under many, many sects and beliefs and a vast majority of those follow the NT rather than the OT. It's been found by many that the OT is much more pessimistic than the NT, and encourages a lot of things which have been found as cruel. Primary followers of the OT happen to be of the Catholic faith, who often refuse to marry outside of their faith because of the now huge difference between the OT and NT....
You see, this is the problem, Chrisitians nowadays are not following Jesus, they are following Paul, that they should be called Paulians, instead of Christians. Jesus clearly said "If you want to see the kingdom of heanve, follow the commandments", he also said the one who discard "the least of the commandments, will not enter the kingdom of heaven".
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Re: Pakistan parliament backs rape bill
December 20, 2006 - 03:29 AM
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after i studied and compared both the laws (1979 Zina (fronication)ordinance, and 2006 law), i reached to conclude that it is a step in wrong direction, both regarding islamic values and women protection.
did u study both the bills?
do u want to know why it is a wrong step?
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