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Evolution vs. Creationism in schools
November 8, 2006 - 01:04 PM
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I am curious about how other countries deal with creationism and evolution/geology/astronomy in the classroom. In America, there has been an episodic fight over whether to teach the Bible or science, or a rather peculiar mix of the two called intelligent design. What is the right way to approach this? How do other countries approach it?
In the event that you live in a place where only one of the current solutions is taught, I will provide links to information about evolution, intelligent design, and literal creationism:
Evolution
Intelligent design
Creationism
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Re: Evolution vs. Creationism in schools
November 8, 2006 - 06:27 PM
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I went to a secular state school in New Zealand and we did diddly squat religious education. Actually we did none (the joys of living in a secular society  ).
But all New Zealand secondary schools study Evolution as part of the senior school Biology curriculum.
I had a couple of friends that went to catholic schools though and they did religious studies. Not sure of the specifics but yeah everyone in NZ who chooses to study biology in year 12 or 13 (senior year high school) has to learn about evolution
But I'm not sure about creationism
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Re: Evolution vs. Creationism in schools
November 9, 2006 - 06:30 AM
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Religious education is taught in UK..although if your beliefs are different to those being taught,you can opt out of it..it's not compulsory..Science on the other hand is compulsory..The curriculum involves study about Evolution, and it's entirely up to the individual if they believe it or not..I personally believe in the creation of the world..but that's me...
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Re: Evolution vs. Creationism in schools
November 9, 2006 - 07:45 PM
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yeah it's pretty much the same in newzealand as in the UK.
But we are part of the british commonwealth.
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Re: Evolution vs. Creationism in schools
December 8, 2006 - 09:31 AM
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Well I'm in the UAE. It's a Arab country and people would think there would be strict regulations on what to teach. But it depends on what school you go to. In my school, we learned everything. I don't see the point of people arguing about whether to teach evolution, intelligent design, or creationism. In my Biology class, we went over myths and beliefs of different countries including musilm, christian, hindu, even tibetian beliefs. But ofcourse we learned evolution and big-bang theory too. It's not the point of believing. It's about understanding. If people just understand that others believe in different things and you don't interfere with what others believe then that's that. School shouldn't argue what to teach. Their job is to teach and it's up to students to choose what to believe.
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Re: Evolution vs. Creationism in schools
December 9, 2006 - 05:58 PM
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anna1004, that sounds great!
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Re: Evolution vs. Creationism in schools
December 12, 2006 - 01:07 AM
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Personal view: I feel evolution has a lot more going for it as a theory than creationism. I seek to question just about everything, and from what I have found, creationism tends to be based strongly on the belief that there MUST be a creator--and the whole theory hinges on that, rather than standing alone and having evidence point to a creator. With evolution although it is an imperfect model and for all we know could be entirely wrong (as we saw with Darwin's intial ape-->man which is now a scientific myth but curiously enough seems to be always brought up by religious groups trying to debunk evolution...news for them, that's Darwinism which is DIFFERENT) it seems to have the most going for it now.
As science is always taught based on what theories have the most going for them it seems to me to make more sense to teach evolution.
Anyway, I come from NZ and was at a private Anglican school where evolution was taught.
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Re: Evolution vs. Creationism in schools
December 26, 2006 - 01:01 PM
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anna1004 wrote:
It's not the point of believing. It's about understanding. If people just understand that others believe in different things and you don't interfere with what others believe then that's that. School shouldn't argue what to teach. Their job is to teach and it's up to students to choose what to believe.
I come from America and I whole heartedly agree with Anna, its all about understanding. Schools should teach us about every aspect so that we can understand where others with different opinions are coming from, then we can create our own opinions and choose what to beleive. Anna that was really well put!
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Re: Evolution vs. Creationism in schools
January 27, 2007 - 09:12 AM
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We should understand everyones views, In my A levels I take both biology and philosophy. In philosophy we learn all kinds of religious views on how the world and life created, however surely a science lesson like biology should teach only science rather than things people 'feel'?
Creationism and Intelligent Design aren't accepted scientific theories by the scientific community. This is because the idea of a creator actually creates a lot more scientific questions than it solves, how did a creator come into existence? how come this creator left flaws in the creation if it is all powerful? and can we scientifically prove that a creator designed any form of life, ever?
If ID or creationism were sciences, if they had fallibility, if they had peer reviewed documentation which was more precise than; 'there are gaps in our current understanding of science, therefore an infinite creator had to do it' then maybe we could come close to considering it for a science lesson.
Until then, science should be taught in science lessons, and other views should be taught in Religious Education, Philosophy, or Civics.
It's important to know peoples views, but it's important to know what is science, and what isn't.
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Re: Evolution vs. Creationism in schools
January 27, 2007 - 04:43 PM
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Colom wrote:
We should understand everyones views, In my A levels I take both biology and philosophy. In philosophy we learn all kinds of religious views on how the world and life created, however surely a science lesson like biology should teach only science rather than things people 'feel'?
Creationism and Intelligent Design aren't accepted scientific theories by the scientific community. This is because the idea of a creator actually creates a lot more scientific questions than it solves, how did a creator come into existence? how come this creator left flaws in the creation if it is all powerful? and can we scientifically prove that a creator designed any form of life, ever?
If ID or creationism were sciences, if they had fallibility, if they had peer reviewed documentation which was more precise than; 'there are gaps in our current understanding of science, therefore an infinite creator had to do it' then maybe we could come close to considering it for a science lesson.
Until then, science should be taught in science lessons, and other views should be taught in Religious Education, Philosophy, or Civics.
It's important to know peoples views, but it's important to know what is science, and what isn't.
Yes there must be more understand
what if creationists have the only authentic document never changed across decades and suit evry decade to understand even scientific facts
while scientific theories change and are not stable as science progress?
peace salam
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Re: Evolution vs. Creationism in schools
January 27, 2007 - 06:09 PM
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DrBadr wrote:
what if creationists have the only authentic document never changed across decades and suit evry decade to understand even scientific facts
while scientific theories change and are not stable as science progress?
peace salam
The idea of the Bible, the Torah, the Qu'ran or any other religious text being the 'authentic document' for scientific explanation is, factually wrong.
I'm trying not to cause offence here and I will try and stay as polite as possible.
However religious texts are full of contradictions and the idea of using them as texts for explaining origins of life or the universe is not scientific.
Anyone is entitled to hold their own belief system, but the point of science changing constantly is so it work with new facts and ideas as we understand the universe to greater detail. A vague, unchanging text can never explain life wholly. That's why intelligent design and creationism should not and can not be allowed to be taught as a science.
A religious teaching would be damaging to a vulnerable child's mind who won't understand the difference between speculation and science.
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Re: Evolution vs. Creationism in schools
January 28, 2007 - 04:44 PM
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The theory is the evolution is a SCIENTIFIC theory. Creationism is a religious theory. Therefore the theory of evolution should be taught in a science lesson like biology, and creatonism should be taught in a religious studies class. I think both should be taught, but in different classes. Science and religion are two completely other things. Evolution is something we can research, prove and see in practice. Religion is not something that can be proven, religion is not much more than mere speculations, myths and farytales.
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Re: Evolution vs. Creationism in schools
January 28, 2007 - 05:21 PM
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can I ask you what do you know about bible, Quraan, Taorah
did you get religion lessons and how
this may help me understand
salam peace
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Re: Evolution vs. Creationism in schools
January 29, 2007 - 10:43 AM
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I don't know if you were asking me or nickybol but in my case...
I've taken lessons in religious education since I was about 4 I was brought up in a Christian family and currently take philosophy before heading off to university (not to study philosophy, to study medicine)
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Re: Evolution vs. Creationism in schools
January 29, 2007 - 11:17 AM
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I follow religious studies classes. We talk about Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, New Age, Spiritism and modern philosophy.
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