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[Poll] do homosexuals have rights to co-exist
October 2, 2006 - 12:00 PM
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for a very long time, ever since the time i know how to pronounce my name, there have been strong cases again sexual minorities from the part of the world where i come from, part of this discrimination has been based on culture, religion and personal opinion, on several ocassion gay people have been treated with so much hatred by friends, family and even the society that many think they are odd and do not deserve to live, recently, the nigeria government passed a bill to the national assembly, the compnent of the bill forbids anyform of interaction with any gay person by any one, if a particular citizen has anything to do with a gay person, even if it is to help him when in need, such individual will be sent to five years imprisonment.
then the question be asked, are glbt people "animals or a deadly virus" that should be avoided with so much passion, or human beings that deserve to life and be acommodated into the system of things, knowing well enough that they pay tax, vote, pay bills and even sing the national anthem like every other person.
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Re: [Poll] do homosexuals have rights to co-exist
October 4, 2006 - 11:22 AM
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shorty667..
dont apologise. anyone who IS offended by what you said needs to think carefully about the world that they live in methinks.
we live in a world of change. we also, some more then others.. live in a world of choice and freedom. being homosexual is a choice. just like being heterosexual is a choice. ur choice is urs to make and no one can take that away from you. u may not like someone else's choice, and that is UR choice to decide whether or not u like it. regardless, u cant do anything to change someone's choice.
regardless of sexual choice, they are still people like u, and they have (most of) the same rights that everyone does like u, including funnily enough the right to exist! like u! everyone has been born into this world, so i suppose everyone has a right to exist in this world. so basically if u still hav a problem with it..
deal with it.
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Re: [Poll] do homosexuals have rights to co-exist
October 11, 2006 - 09:43 PM
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Kevozic wrote:
shorty667..
dont apologise. anyone who IS offended by what you said needs to think carefully about the world that they live in methinks.
we live in a world of change. we also, some more then others.. live in a world of choice and freedom. being homosexual is a choice. just like being heterosexual is a choice. ur choice is urs to make and no one can take that away from you. u may not like someone else's choice, and that is UR choice to decide whether or not u like it. regardless, u cant do anything to change someone's choice.
nice going
regardless of sexual choice, they are still people like u, and they have (most of) the same rights that everyone does like u, including funnily enough the right to exist! like u! everyone has been born into this world, so i suppose everyone has a right to exist in this world. so basically if u still hav a problem with it..
deal with it.
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Re: [Poll] do homosexuals have rights to co-exist
October 16, 2006 - 06:29 AM
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For most developed countries like Europe, certain states in America like California, Nevada, they allow gay marriages. Obviously gay is A ok there, but for the rest of the world the issue is still there to be addressed.
Until society is willing to accept these folks, and it takes centuries for it to sink it, they won't have rights.
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October 16, 2006 - 10:20 AM
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What really amuses me is that we consider ourselves soooo developed and talk so much about the 'life on the 21st century' and yet have to deal with people who still afraid of whats nothing but diferent. Gay people pay taxes, work, ar subjected to human interaction, learn, live, die, get sic, heal... If that's not being a human and worthy of respect, what is?
Homophobic people claim God as an excuse to hate gays. But they forget that He loves us no matter how we are, and that is only up to Him to judge anyone. So, as far as it goes for me, gay people are humans like you and I and your mum and dad, and must be respected simply for being made out of flesh and bones. If you don't like them, don't feel confortable with them... Well... Don't talk to them, but don't feel as you had the right to make anyone's life harder just because you woke up with a God complex...
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Re: [Poll] do homosexuals have rights to co-exist
October 17, 2006 - 02:19 AM
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What CAN be done besides coexisting? You can't just make other people live their lives your way.
The next sentence was almost written as "Besides, what is the harm in what other people do in private?", however I am aware that some religious leaders view homosexuality as a sign of moral decay. Sure it is, if you define whatever the church says as definitively moral or amoral; they are going against the church. However, I have never heard a coherent explanation about why the church thinks its amoral besides "the bible says so." The bible also also says that women are sinful by nature because of Eve and that the world is definitely less than ten thousand years old. Also, many figures in the Bible that are favored by God own slaves (Genesis 20:14, Ecclesiastes 2:7 etc) How do Christians know what to believe as true and what to cross out as obsolete in modern times? If the prejudice against women and support for slavery can be ignored in the Bible, what's wrong with ignoring the gay bashing?
Our culture has evolved. I can only hope that religion evolves too.
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Re: [Poll] do homosexuals have rights to co-exist
October 18, 2006 - 11:54 AM
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for every man that believe in GOD and know his left and right cannot support homosexualisim cuase it was written in the bible and quran that the lord destroy suddom where is palistian today for the sake of humusexualisim.
it is simple GOD make man and woman bless them and put them in this world he said fruitfull and multiply. so why should man live all this and follow his own fellow man let reasson.the humanright have to go against this this is not right this is to challange the lord.
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Re: [Poll] do homosexuals have rights to co-exist
October 19, 2006 - 01:18 AM
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umaru wrote:
for every man that believe in GOD and know his left and right cannot support homosexualisim cuase it was written in the bible and quran that the lord destroy suddom where is palistian today for the sake of humusexualisim.
it is simple GOD make man and woman bless them and put them in this world he said fruitfull and multiply. so why should man live all this and follow his own fellow man let reasson.the umanright have to go against this this is not right this is to challange the lord.
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You win, Umaru. I've had it with challenging forces which I can't hope to defeat.
There are too many people like you, who use religion as an excuse for hatred. Too many who can not or will not consider the logic of what they say. Its almost as if the minds of really religious people just skip over anything that contradicts their worldview or makes them look bad. Go, do something horrible in the name of your religion, if you think that is what God demands of you. My belief system demands that I speak truth. It is not my responsibility if what I have said is ignored.
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Re: [Poll] do homosexuals have rights to co-exist
October 19, 2006 - 02:47 PM
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Religion has been reason to many other discriminatory actions. Homosexuals, witches, sodomites, etc were all getting attention of religous people..
And it is also true that homosexuals, among others, wouldnt have been persecuted, would it not been for religion.
Now, the age has come when many countries and nationalities are questionning the validity of many claims, which were hitherto considered heretic or otherwise breaching "what is right and what is wrong" according to religion.
And as our world has becoming more and more diverse, intertwined, and interdependent in all aspects of these words, the cultural sensitivity and mutual respect are keys to successful societies.
Wehave to accept that each of us has his/her identity, his/her opinions and, of course, his/her tastes and preferences. This is not longer the time, at least in the most of the West, where one person's or one group's idealogy can or should be imposed on others.
Everyone has his/her own choice and freedom!
Instead of cherishing hatred and discrimination for those who are in some ways different from us, we have to initiate a dialogue aimed at comprehending deeper the world view of those who are in some sense different from us, be it culturally, ethnically, or individually.
As someone said (I forgot who), "This world is becoming more and more homogenous by interconnecting the heterogenous."
Homosexuals are humans like heterosexuals (striaght). All that is different is their preference of the gender of their partners.
But do we, for example, discriminate against someone who is choosing to pray 5 times a day if we are not praying. Do we discriminate against someone who is eating meat if we don't eat meat. Usually we don't. or rather, we shouldnt! So we shouldnt also for homosexuals.
Mutual understanding and respect is what we need!
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bisi alimi
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Re: [Poll] do homosexuals have rights to co-exist
October 20, 2006 - 03:44 PM
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i am not really surpriesd that such a reply is coming from umoru, i will try my best not to be sentimental here but at least responde to his write in the following way:
1 we should understand that umoru is an african, a group of people i belong to too, a people that has been disillusioned by many factors over time, i wonder if umoru brothers to questions certian issues from the quran or maybe he can remeber the original religion of his tribe and people, these are some of the evils religion has done to africans, i have seen the world and one thing i love about the other part of the world is the fact that no matter how religious they are they still have a sense of belonging to where they are coming from, and i can tell you matter of factly, that the war all over african is as a result of the terrible vein religion has placed on our faces as african.
secondly, he is a man that has been told by certain people that certian things are right and wrong but never bother to question the modalities behind was is right and wrong and what is the stand of God in right and wrong, i read my Bible recently and i found that in the book og Genesis, God created Adam "he"and "she" and i wonder was adam an intersex, because it wass in the latter part in Chapter 2 that he created Eve from Adma`s rib, and again he talked about sodom and Gomoraha and i wonder and asked people this question, was it because of homosexuality that God destroyed sodom or because the people wants to have sex with the angels, at least before then there had been sexual relations in sodom and there are women and children which means there are many issues, even he Bible said the sins of sodom reached out to God, which means there are many sins and heterosexual would have been one of them.
i wish my fellow african brother to do more research and ask more questions, its not a crime to ask questions at least that will place you at a better postion when you engage in discussion like this and you will not sound so out of place
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Re: [Poll] do homosexuals have rights to co-exist
November 6, 2006 - 07:34 AM
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hi everybody!
before discussing the issue of homosexuals, lets just see what is homosexuality.
the urge for sex is a gift of God to male and female, so that:
1. they enjoy their partner
2. the produce generations so that the world goes on.
3. both partners are safe from diseases caused by having sex with so many partners u dont know even.
so male and female were created.
now if somebody wants to have sex with a male, do u see any of these purposes will be served.
AIDS is spreading coz of adultry.
west have to import man power from third world, for thier industry to run. and the meaning of enjoyment have totally changed. females enjoy dogs, male enjoy another.
to what it will lead the human beings. who is MOM and who is DAD. how will we prolong our generation. no reproduction will take place if homosexuality is allowed in the world.
so homosexuality being immoral and unnatural is against the intention of creator, and aginst the purposes of creation of man kind.
religion can cure this very well.
homosexuality and its causes must be cured so that female has the charm for a male and they become partners and reproduce.
thanks
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Re: [Poll] do homosexuals have rights to co-exist
November 7, 2006 - 08:22 AM
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mnopq wrote:
Religion has been reason to many other discriminatory actions. Homosexuals, witches, sodomites, etc were all getting attention of religous people..
Everyone has his/her own choice and freedom!
As someone said (I forgot who), "This world is becoming more and more homogenous by interconnecting the heterogenous."
Homosexuals are humans like heterosexuals (striaght). All that is different is their preference of the gender of their partners.
But do we, for example, discriminate against someone who is choosing to pray 5 times a day if we are not praying. Do we discriminate against someone who is eating meat if we don't eat meat. Usually we don't. or rather, we shouldnt! So we shouldnt also for homosexuals.
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Dear mnopq!
jsut answer a simple question:
if we have to leave everybody to do what he wants, why we legislate and punish some people?
let every body do what ever he wants?
do not criticize muslims for so called women rights of yours? do not critcize people for killing another? cause u say we criticize some people coz they r different!
my friend! if i do not eat meat, and another wants to, but he puts the meat in his nose and makes efforts, this is my duty to tell him (with respect) that brother this is not the proper way to eat.
if someone want to enjoy his sex, must use it in a way which is beneficial. other wise dont stop afghanistan from narcotics! let them grow it.
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Re: [Poll] do homosexuals have rights to co-exist
November 8, 2006 - 08:04 AM
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Taking somebody's life, Eating food and Sexuality are three different things.
If somebody is involved in a sexual realtionship with a child, we do have to stop it as it is "Sexual Abuse". It harms somebody for a lifetime.
If two adults - both- decide to share a sexual realtionship without any coercion or force, i wonder what role do others need to play?
We also need to probably broaden our horizon and understand that homosexuality is not just about "sex". It is about relationship and companionship that we all seek as human beings.
We need to be careful about what all do we want to change about the world? Somethings may not need to change. Somethings are normal. The definitions of "normal" have changed. It might be useful to understand whats different about present.
The world is at a stage where we are fighting for equal rights no matter what/who we are in terms of region, religion, class, sexuality.
It is important that we are aware of the advancements in society so that we do not fall into the trap of repeating our personal point of view, which may not be connected to current views.
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Re: [Poll] do homosexuals have rights to co-exist
November 8, 2006 - 02:43 PM
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hatamkhalid wrote:
Dear mnopq!
jsut answer a simple question:
if we have to leave everybody to do what he wants, why we legislate and punish some people?
let every body do what ever he wants?
do not criticize muslims for so called women rights of yours? do not critcize people for killing another? cause u say we criticize some people coz they r different!
my friend! if i do not eat meat, and another wants to, but he puts the meat in his nose and makes efforts, this is my duty to tell him (with respect) that brother this is not the proper way to eat.
if someone want to enjoy his sex, must use it in a way which is beneficial. other wise dont stop afghanistan from narcotics! let them grow it.
When I said everyone has his or her own choice I didnt mean to imply or condone a state of chaos where everyone does all possible mind-boggling things.
When I said we have a free choice in many things, this free choice goes as far and as long as it doesnt infringe on freedoms and choices of others. Homosexuality acts, i suppose, usually happen with a mutual consent of usually two(more?) males, right? That suggests that if there is a mutual consent and respect and if their relationship and acts do not disturb neighbors (are discreet), or other people in the same society, which they usually dont, apart from some rumors, which make some people, who are usually more traditional or religous, feel uneasy. But apart from that sentiment of uneasiness, which is a personal problem of whoever who feels it, while not being induced, incited or excited by homosexuals intentionally, and as such is not in any way a constraint on freedoms of others in the society.
If one eats meat through his nose and succeeds at that and even finds it more efficient, one only is entitled to give his/her personal opinion and advise, but one is not supposed to impose his/her opinion just because he/she thinks it is the right thing.
Many humans do things many others in other parts of the world would find imperatively wrong and unethical or outright violent. But we all do coexist so far on this planet.
So let us open our minds not only towards those who are far away but also those who are nearby!
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Re: [Poll] do homosexuals have rights to co-exist
November 9, 2006 - 11:59 AM
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I am responding to a number of posts here so I will not bother to re-post what has been said, you will have to figure out who I am speaking to.
The idea that we have free choice as long as those choices do not infringe on the freedoms or choices of others is invalid. Every decision or choice that each one of us an individual makes, affects everyone around us. We are too interconnected as a human race for this to be any other way. Think about it; everything we do affects someone else in some way, so it is therefore impossible not to infringe on someone else's idea of freedom. ANd freedom is too subjective an idea to know if we are impeding on it or not; what one person considers an important freedom, another may not. So when do our decisions stop being a product of free choice?
Secondly, I am really disturbed by all the religious talk on here. Religion serves only to divide people and create superiority between groups. One person posted that religion can cure the evils that homosexuality and adultery create. This implies that sexuality is a choice, which it may be to a small minority of people, but on the whole, we feel our sexuality from a young age. I always think it is interesting that heterosexuals say that homosexuality is a choice but do heterosexuals believe that their sexuality was a choice? I doubt it; I am sure that heterosexuals believe their sexuality is inherent to them and not the result of external factors. I also ask you, what human condition has religion served to cure in the past? Religion may be able to stifle the human condition using fear, but it cannot "cure" it as you say. And on a side note, homosexual can procreate, its called IVF and using a surrogate mother. Evolutionarily speaking, it is possible for homosexuals to continue their genetic line.
You can gather from this yourself if I believe homosexuals have the right to co-exist.
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