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THE IRAQ CONFLICT
September 29, 2006 - 03:31 PM
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The Iraq Conflict ,Have your Say :-
Change the course of debate on Iraq.
Invading Iraq was an error Mistake.
It encourage terrorism , fuels terror.
The Iraq conflict has become a "cause celebre" for Islamic militants worldwide,
declassified parts of a US intelligence report say.
The leaked excerpts from the report were first published by the New York Times on Sunday, and that the entire report should be declassified.
The war has helped recruit "supporters for the global jihadist movement,
It has made the world a more dangerous place,
Although Jihadistsa is small percentage of Muslims,
are increasing in both number and geographic dispersion ,
The true is "The Iraq Jihad is shaping a new generation of terrorist leaders and operatives,"
It adds that the conflict had bred "a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world" and that "perceived jihadist success there would inspire more fighters to continue the struggle elsewhere".
Other key points include:
• Militants, although a small percentage of Muslims, are increasing in both number and geographic dispersion
• If this trend continues, threats to US interests globally will become more diverse leading to increased attacks
with series of blasts worldwide
• Militants consider Europe an important venue for attacking Western interests
• The loss of key leaders in rapid succession would probably fracture al-Qaeda
into smaller groups that would pose, at least for a time, a less serious threat to US interests.
HAVE YOUR SAY
The invasion has given a huge impetus to a global jihad .
That is A laying not True that , Mr Bush has consistently dismissed such reasoning in the past,
arguing that Islamic militants had hated the US long before it invaded Iraq or Afghanistan.
Quite frankly, my view is that any responsible declassification will change the course of this debate on Iraq.
   
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Re: THE IRAQ CONFLICT
September 29, 2006 - 06:03 PM
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I would say that terror was fueled by blowing up world trade center, if not guess number of fuel gallons will blow such building..hoping you will understand. On the other hand, what is happening in Iraq needs changes which is the only parmenent thing and must be positive.
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Re: THE IRAQ CONFLICT
September 30, 2006 - 08:53 AM
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I would say that terror was fueled by blowing up world trade center, if not guess number of fuel gallons will blow such building..hoping you will understand.
So you suggest that there was no reason for terrorists to launch attacks before 9-11? I don't get your point.
On the other hand, what is happening in Iraq needs changes which is the only parmenent thing and must be positive
There is no permanency in the world's political dynamism; this is impossible, especially with this US administration that spends a great deal of effort in the promotion of its own theory of "Creative Chaos". Chaos would never create any solution in Iraq or elsewhere, and chaotics should not cry from the consequences of their decisions.
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Re: THE IRAQ CONFLICT
September 30, 2006 - 02:49 PM
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Mr Bush has consistently dismissed such reasoning in the past,
arguing that Islamic militants had hated the US long before it invaded Iraq or Afghanistan.
IS THAT TRUE, I GUESS NOT .
THE 9/11 GAME THEY PLAY PUT THE GUN TO ISLAM, JUST LIKE THAT WE ARE A FOOLE IF YOU THINK SO,
Islamic militants IT CREAT BY THE CIA & ISREAL , AND THE SCAM KEEP GOING .
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Re: THE IRAQ CONFLICT
October 2, 2006 - 01:54 PM
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The old issues of Sadam's WMD and terrorist connections are an excellent example of the value of the question.
Obviously, these issues were so tenuous and petty as to be ridiculous as a justification for war and occupation, so the question becomes,"What was the real motivation for the invasion and occupation of Iraq?".
A glance at a map of the middle east immediately places Iraq in a perfect strategic position to exert direct pressure on most of the governments sponsoring terrorism.
For forty years the US has been asking, from across the Atlantic, middle eastern governments to stop sponsoring terrorism, and been ignored. With an American army on their borders this request might be taken more seriously.
The occupation of Iraq, in my opinion, was simply its own justification; placing an American army in the heart of the middle east. There is no mystery about why the Bush administration didn't openly announce its motivation. Doing so could well have raised the chimera of unified Jihad throughout the muslim world.
I am amazed that in all this time the popular media hasn't moved beyond righteous indignation to even a superficial analysis.
Another simple-minded media misconception is that the US is failing to 'democratize' Iraq and becoming bogged down in another Vietnam.
In light of the basic strategic motivation, being 'bogged down' in Iraq is desirable, keeping an American army parked in the heart of the middle east indefinitely. The war on terror is far from over, has hardly begun, and the US should be in no hurry to 'succeed' in Iraq, and give up an indispensible strategic position.
Another media objection is that there wasn't a terrorist threat in Iraq before, but now the US occupation is attracting terrorists. While true, why is it assumed to be a bad thing? The greatest difficulty in dealing with terrorists is finding them. Creating a terrorist magnet in an occupied middle eastern country is a perfect solution of this difficulty.
While unfortunate for Iraqis, for the US it is far better that Baghdad be the arena of confrontation, rather than New York. Though this is unfair for Iraq, fairness is not the primary consideration in warfare, for example; the innocent death of Hiroshima.
It is well past time to keep yowping about Bush administration lies and focus instead on the obvious strategic policies behind the lies.
Only then can we judge whether the Bush administration has been competent in carrying out their policies.
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Re: THE IRAQ CONFLICT
October 2, 2006 - 06:40 PM
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elemental wrote:
The old issues of Sadam's WMD and terrorist connections are an excellent example of the value of the question.
Obviously, these issues were so tenuous and petty as to be ridiculous as a justification for war and occupation, so the question becomes,"What was the real motivation for the invasion and occupation of Iraq?".
A glance at a map of the middle east immediately places Iraq in a perfect strategic position to exert direct pressure on most of the governments sponsoring terrorism.
For forty years the US has been asking, from across the Atlantic, middle eastern governments to stop sponsoring terrorism, and been ignored. With an American army on their borders this request might be taken more seriously.
The occupation of Iraq, in my opinion, was simply its own justification; placing an American army in the heart of the middle east. There is no mystery about why the Bush administration didn't openly announce its motivation. Doing so could well have raised the chimera of unified Jihad throughout the muslim world.
Another simple-minded media misconception is that the US is failing to 'democratize' Iraq and becoming bogged down in another Vietnam.
In light of the basic strategic motivation, being 'bogged down' in Iraq is desirable, keeping an American army parked in the heart of the middle east indefinitely. The war on terror is far from over, has hardly begun, and the US should be in no hurry to 'succeed' in Iraq, and give up an indispensible strategic position.
Another media objection is that there wasn't a terrorist threat in Iraq before, but now the US occupation is attracting terrorists. While true, why is it assumed to be a bad thing? The greatest difficulty in dealing with terrorists is finding them. Creating a terrorist magnet in an occupied middle eastern country is a perfect solution of this difficulty.
While unfortunate for Iraqis, for the US it is far better that Baghdad be the arena of confrontation, rather than New York. Though this is unfair for Iraq, fairness is not the primary consideration in warfare, for example; the innocent death of Hiroshima.
It is well past time to keep yowping about Bush administration lies and focus instead on the obvious strategic policies behind the lies.
Only then can we judge whether the Bush administration has been competent in carrying out their policies.
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King TUT JR.
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Re: THE IRAQ CONFLICT
October 2, 2006 - 06:53 PM
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NOW ther is other root ,Regarding terrorism,
Regarding terrorism, the West has only two choices: to appease or fight? Is there a third way? I'm convinced there must be a third way.
But the idea that you can have unflinching war on terrorists -- a war that expands over borders into city backstreets and is purely military -- seems to me impractical.
The third way consists of maintaining continuous dialogue with moderate political groups in any given country or society. It consists of recognising that some of the grievances that drive young men to terrorism could be socio-economic or racial, and that you need a set of instruments to deal with them.
If you have four million Muslim men who are living in ghettos around cities and if unemployment rates among them are high and their housing conditions are poor, and if they are looked down upon by the domestic population, resentment is being created. Resentments do not automatically turn somebody into a terrorist; that needs another additional input, which sometimes is twisted religious fervour.
Regional development to the Arab-Israeli conflict
Some in the Arab world attribute slow regional development to the Arab-Israeli conflict while others point to ruling regimes as the main source of backwardness.
I would agree with the distinguished Egyptian, Fredex126 , Jordanian and Lebanese academics that put together the Arab Human Development Report for the UNDP. The report asked why there are significant difficulties for many societies in the Arab world to deal with the challenges of modernisation, of human, economic and social development as well iraq.
Since 1947, the Israeli-Palestinian territorial problem has created enormous problems for the Arabs live in that area, in the Gaza Strip, in Lebanon, or on the borders of Jordan. ,That is not to deny that there is an enormous humanitarian and political problem. But it would be unwise for Arab governments to spend so much time campaigning against Israel rather than dealing with domestic challenges and problems.
To be sure, the conflict has complicated the relationship between the Arab world and the United States and I don't see this problem going away. But I see the problem exacerbated by other trends: rising population pressures, lack of water, environmental pressures, and lack of educational opportunities in Gaza and the West Bank. Such pressures exacerbate the historical and political rivalry.
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Re: THE IRAQ CONFLICT
October 2, 2006 - 07:04 PM
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Saddam 'had no link to al-Qaeda'
something we all knew since long !!!!
I am sure that after some years we can hear of similar report on Iran too !
Saddam 'had no link to al-Qaeda'
Democrats say the report weakens Mr Bush's case for war
There is no evidence of formal links between Iraqi ex-leader Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda leaders prior to the 2003 war, a US Senate report says.
The finding is contained in a 2005 CIA report released by the Senate's Intelligence Committee on Friday.
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